James Greenland on the 'Sir Charles Napier'

[Lee Ross]

Yes you're right, I'll look into him again.
This James died in 1900 in Albion Park but doesn't appear to have any parents listed on his death record by looks of the NSW BDM.
But definitely someone to try to rule in/out as well if possible.

[Lee Ross]

Some Ancestry trees have him as being born 1816 in Somerset, England.

If this is him, it looks like he went from VIC to Tas in 1854 so likely this is him returning to Syd in 1857.

Name   James Greenland
Age   38
Birth Year   abt 1816
Departure Date   Feb. 1854
Departure Place   Victoria, Australia
Destination   HOBART TOWN
Ship   EUCALYPTUS
Ship's Master   BLACKBOURN JOHN B
Page   3

[Dundee]

A James Greenland that married Bridget Gorman (Kiama 1864) a year after a James Greenland married Bridget McNamara (Deniliquin 1863) is another possible candidate for the 1842 arrival who possibly sailed for Sydney 1857?

Always something to muddy the waters!

The one that married in Kiama is the convict who arrived on the Moffat.  His obit is fairly truthful, it is just the middle bit that is a bit fuzzy to cover the time he was in Tas.  The Marquis of Normanby and the Earl of Mulgrave are the same person. 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132327564

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON14-1-17

images 200 and 201

Debra 

[Dundee]

No age, birthplace or parents are listed on the 1863 marriage certificate to Bridget McNamara.

Reconciling the church records with the registry's records was never completed which is why some marriage certs are still missing information.  Some of the Catholic church records have been filmed and deposited with the NSW State Library and NLA but searching their catalogues, they don't have the ones you need.  Neither does the SOAG.

Having a Google it seems that someone found that the church records for the Wilcannia-Forbes Diocese, of which Deniliquin is a part, are kept at Broken Hill.

Scroll down for "Contact us", it would be worth a go.

https://www.wf.catholic.org.au/parishes-2/broken-hill/

Debra 

[hanes teulu]

I'd checked out "Moffatt" Greenslade on FindMyPast - age given as 25 (born c. 1817) - occupation "wheelwright".
As you say, how he made it to Oz has been glossed over in the obit but the age does fit.

[Lee Ross]

No age, birthplace or parents are listed on the 1863 marriage certificate to Bridget McNamara.

Reconciling the church records with the registry's records was never completed which is why some marriage certs are still missing information.  Some of the Catholic church records have been filmed and deposited with the NSW State Library and NLA but searching their catalogues, they don't have the ones you need.  Neither does the SOAG.

Having a Google it seems that someone found that the church records for the Wilcannia-Forbes Diocese, of which Deniliquin is a part, are kept at Broken Hill.

Scroll down for "Contact us", it would be worth a go.

https://www.wf.catholic.org.au/parishes-2/broken-hill/

Debra 

Hi Debra,

That is very interesting, I had just assumed it was simply missing the information from the beginning. I'm going to contact them as you suggested and see how I go, could be the missing link.

Thanks!

[shume]

Am not sure where this is going but the convict James Greenland is not your man. He was charged with rape in 1842, given life but served only 10 years, given a conditional pardon 4/10/1853 according to his convict record.
Interestingly a few years ago I was a researcher on a project Founders and Survivors in which we traced convicts after their sentence was served. My task was all the 369  men on the Moffat arr Nov 1842. I can't find the database online.. the website seems to have disappeared.

[hanes teulu]

Am not sure where this is going ...

Post #9 identified 2 x James Greenland who could be candidates for the James Greenland that sailed for Sydney 1857.
Post #11 identified the 1857 passenger as "Moffatt/Kiama" Greenland thus ruling out "Deniliquin" Greenland.

[Lee Ross]

I'm waiting on James and Bridget's children's birth certificates to see if they offer any further clues.

I think I got lucky, on one of James and Bridget's children's birth certificates it states James is from 'Bradford, Wilts, England'
I'm fairly certain now that this is the same man that arrived in Hobart on the 'Sir Charles Napier' in 1842.
I wonder what happened to his first wife Ruth, did she die in Tasmania? Did he leave her?