Author Topic: Marriage of Patty Florence Shaw to Thomas Dyson  (Read 764 times)

Offline CaroleW

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Re: Marriage of Patty Florence Shaw to Thomas Dyson
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 December 23 22:18 GMT (UK) »
What birthyear & birthplace is shown for William Edwin on the 1921 census?

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Re: Marriage of Patty Florence Shaw to Thomas Dyson
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 December 23 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Freebmd/ GRO online only shows 2 births for a William Edwin Shaw between 1880 & 1885.   Yours in Sept 82 & the other in Birmingham March qtr 1883. 

There is a death in Prescot Lancs in March qtr 1952 for William Edwin Shaw aged 69

There is a 1939 register entry for a William E Shaw living in Prescot - you may want to take a look at his birthdate in relation to the qtr in which your William's birth was registered.

The only way to know for sure is to buy a digital copy of William's 1882 birth cert (£2.50) to get his full birthdate for comparison with the 1939 register entry
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Re: Marriage of Patty Florence Shaw to Thomas Dyson
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 09:08 GMT (UK) »
In the 1921 census his birth place is Huddersfield, birth year 1883, age 37y 10m. I looked at 2 other possibilities - at Beech Cottage, Trafford Rd, Eccles and 43 Church Lane, Gorton but the birth places didn't fit.
His dob on the GRO certificate is 10 Aug 1882, father James Henry, Mother Mary Ann formerly Jebson at Hill Top Paddock Huddersfield.

The only listing in the 1939 register whose birth date matches is for William E. Shaw, married, Traveller Salesman, with Lilian M. Shaw married, born 14 May 1889, domestic duties. Both at 160 Liverpool Rd, Huyton with Roby.

His death certificate says he died 21 Feb 1952, age 60, at County Hospital, Whiston of bronchial pneumonia. His address is 160 Lpl Rd, informant L.M. Shaw, widow of same address. The only rather dubious point is his given occupation - formerly motor engineer and mechanic.
I will look for a possible bigamous marriage but it's more likely they were just living together.

Thanks to all for their helpful suggestions.

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Re: Marriage of Patty Florence Shaw to Thomas Dyson
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 09:48 GMT (UK) »
His birthdate & middle name Edwin prove it is the same person.  There is no marriage to Lillian so he wasn't a bigamist.

If Patty died after 1952 - that's why there was no marriage between her & Dyson

Lilian M Shaw died 1967 Prescot
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