Yes , i know a few people just sort of took on thst lifestyle but i havent gone bsck very far past him so i just tjought id ask the question here, but thankyou for everyones help its been very informative, on that de bank page it made me laugh as it says they were known for their black shiney curly hair which is exactly like my mum and uncle and grandad, i bet they all went grey early aswell, as thats a debank trait in our family but no baldness. Thsnkyou again