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Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Thursday 07 December 23 02:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I'm looking for information about Ellen Collins who married Michael Delaney (ex convict) in Yass in 1842 and died 1843.

Please note that a recent mtDNA test confirms that she was not Aboriginal (as some have suggested) but European, probably Irish.

There is an old thread which mentions “two sisters, Ellen & Mary Collins who arrived on the Duchess of Northumberland 3rd Oct 1836. They turned up in Yass...”. 

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=159119.msg1721092#msg1721092

Does anyone know when this Ellen Collins was in Yass and what became of her?

Thanks

Bill

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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 December 23 08:40 GMT (UK) »
shot in the dark - possibly Michaels son - b 1846 - he marries in Yass in 1891 and dies there 1913

https://gw.geneanet.org/myblue70?n=delaney&oc=1&p=michael
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born in Yass in 1847
https://gw.geneanet.org/col069?n=delaney&oc=&p=william+john
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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 December 23 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the marriage certificate of Michael DELANEY and Ellen COLLINS. As you probably know, the area code "LF" on the NSW BDM means Yass, Roman Cathoilic. What information does it give about her?

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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 December 23 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Ellen Collins Delaney
BIRTH
1822
Yass, Yass Valley Council, New South Wales, Australia
DEATH
31 Aug 1843 (aged 20–21)
Yass, Yass Valley Council, New South Wales, Australia
BURIAL
Yass General Cemetery
Yass, Yass Valley Council, New South Wales, Australia
MEMORIAL ID
197318276 · View Source
MEMORIAL
PHOTOS 0
FLOWERS 0
Ellen married Michael Delaney on 25 Oct 1842 in the Catholic Church, Yass, NSW
She died shortly after giving birth to her daughter Mary Anne Delaney.

*** NOTE Per a 2nd Great Grandson and his recent DNA results, he has no Aborigonal findings

Family Members
Spouse

Michael Delaney
1805–1881 (m. 1842)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197318276/ellen-delaney#source
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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your replies.

Michael Delaney b. 1846 is the son Michael Delaney and his second wife Catherine Hanon.  I'm looking for information about his first wife, Ellen Collins (m. 1842, d. 1843).

It's extremely unlikely that Ellen Collins was born in Yass in 1822 if she was European, as a mtDNA test confirms.

Do you have the marriage certificate of Michael DELANEY and Ellen COLLINS. As you probably know, the area code "LF" on the NSW BDM means Yass, Roman Cathoilic. What information does it give about her?
Thank you. Yes, I know that it was a Catholic marriage but, no, I don't have the marriage certificate yet. The transcript of their marriage record on Find My Past has no other information about her but I will check the actual certificate.

Cheers

Bill


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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 March 25 04:28 GMT (UK) »

Hi Bill  Do you have a marriage certificate?

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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 March 25 06:51 GMT (UK) »
There is an official transcript of the Ellen/Michael marriage on Ancestry.

Roman Catholic Church
MARRIAGES
Groom:  Michael Delaney, X his mark
Member: Roman Catholic Church
Abode: Bogolong

Bride: Ellen Collins,  Her X mark,
Member: Roman Catholic Church
Abode: Bogolong

When married:  Charles Lovat, Minister of Yass, Roman Catholic
Where married: Bogolong

Witnesses: William O'Brien of Bogolong, Margaret O'Brien of Bogolong, Her X mark,

Wikipedia;
The general grazing area which now encompasses the village of Bookham was originally collectively called Bogolong and childhood memories of the races at Bogalong Racetrack inspired Banjo Paterson to write his poem Old Pardon the Son of Reprieve.[3]
The name change came about in 1839 when Lady Jane Franklin, wife of John Franklin, the Lieutenant Governor of Van Diemen's Land between 1837 and 1843, became the first European woman to travel overland from Port Phillip to Sydney and stayed in the area in 1839.[4]

Bogolong also seems to be the name of a 'run' (Crown Land Lease)

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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 March 25 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies.
Yes, I already have the marriage certificate although it doesn't offer many clues regarding Ellen's origins. I still think that the Duchess of Northumberland connection (which I mentioned above) is  the best lead and it's interesting that a Mary Collins was married in Yass (Catholic) in the same year as Ellen, although I'm yet to look at her marriage certificate.
It's interesting also that the witnesses were OBriens, and at first I thought this William O'Brien may have been a son of Henry O'Brien, the founder of Douro station and one of the pioneers of Yass. However, it seems that Henry only had one son (also Henry) and Henry's brother Cornelius had no children.
Thanks too for the fascinating Banjo Patterson info!
Bill

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Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 March 25 00:59 GMT (UK) »

I am having trouble doing a time line here. Is this correct? -


 DELANEY Michael         marr.   COLLINS Ellen   25 Oct 1842 Bogolong

 DELANEY Mary Anne     born    31 Aug  1843     Bogolong

 316/1845 V1845316 94   DELANEY   Michael  marr.  HONON Catherine        LF

 DELANEY  Ellen             died    31 Aug 1846      Bogolong

 DELANEY Michael          bapt.    30 Sep 1846      Boorowa


What is the date for the DELANEY-HONAN marriage?

Did Mary Anne DELANEY, born 1843, marry?

How are her parents named on her marriage/death certificates?

It would be useful to see if knowledge of Ellen COLLINS is continued in this family, when Ellen would seem to have lived so briefly in the life of husband and daughter Mary Ann.

If knowledge of Ellen COLLINS can be seen after her death, it might suggest the presence of COLLINS family in Mary Anne's life.