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E L Forsyth - 1871 Scotland Census
« on: Sunday 26 November 23 12:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Normally I'm fine with handwriting but this one daughter's first name has had me stuck for a while (image attached, third person down by red arrow). I read her as either Eliza or Elsie. Any consensus on which might be correct?

Unfortunately, she does not appear with the family on the previous census, and frustratingly have not been able (so far) to find any relevant BMD records. This census is the only source I have for her.

Thanks,

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Re: E L Forsyth - 1871 Scotland Census
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 November 23 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Looks like Eliza to me and findmypast agrees!
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Re: E L Forsyth - 1871 Scotland Census
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 November 23 13:38 GMT (UK) »
I suspect her surname is not Forsyth - could be Ross

William was a widower in 1861 - no daughter b 1857/58 on the 1861 entry but there is a 5mth old Isabella Innes Forsyth mmn Innes

He married Margaret Ross 1862
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Re: E L Forsyth - 1871 Scotland Census
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 November 23 13:43 GMT (UK) »
I read it as Eliza.  The lc 'z' is written a bit like an 'n' with a tail going under the line.

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I think Elsie as a name was popular more in the early 20th century.


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 November 23 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Okay, Eliza sounds good, thank you all.

CaroleW - I have this family well mapped out, excepting Eliza and her elder sister Agnes who are both difficult. Yes, have been thinking Eliza could be illegitimate, or adopted / a step-child. William married three times that i know of. Isabella died 5 years old in 1865, she was born to William's second wife who herself died in 1860.

Shanreagh - Thanks, I think I had been too focused on Elsie as a possibility, given William's first wife's mother was an Elspet. But Eliza makes more sense looking at the cursive style.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 November 23 14:14 GMT (UK) »
See reply above

William is a widower in 1861 but no 3yr old child with him.  I think the 13yr old could be the child of Margarets previous marriage (if there was one)
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 November 23 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, replied to the wrong person before, edited.

CaroleW - Yes, that's a strong possibility. The spouses had no previous marriages I'm aware of (both the post-1855 ones are listed as spinsters on the records) so she may well be illegitimate.

William married Helen Booth in 1843. She died in 1858.
He then married Margaret Innes in 1860, she died later that same year after giving birth to Isabella.
William married Margaret Henderson Ross in 1862.

The ages of most people in the family on the 1871 are correct to within 1 or 2 years, therefore Eliza was likely born around 1856-1860, after statutory registration came into force.

Have looked for Eliza/beth (& variants) with the surnames Forsyth, Booth, Innes, and Ross in the past (see end), though she could be registered under a different father's surname. A couple I did find I followed through time only to prove they weren't the right ones....

Have also expanded all three of the spouse families, looking at brothers and sisters for each, looking for any potentially matching nieces or nephews with them on the 1861 census, without luck.

The best looking birth match is an Elizabeth Ross (illegitimate), born 1860 to Margaret Ross, a weaver, living on Ann Street. The later censuses for Margaret H Ross show her working as a net weaver after William's death.

Edit: and now found her death, which confirms the above birth record is correct. Hadn't expected to get this solved when asking for a handwriting check!

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 November 23 19:30 GMT (UK) »
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Edit: and now found her death, which confirms the above birth record is correct. Hadn't expected to get this solved when asking for a handwriting check!

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