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Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 19:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi All, Any top tips would be gratefully received.  Maria E Smith b. 1861 @ Southwark married Joseph Hardy b. 1857 in 1882 in Lambeth.  In Feb 1901 Jospeh died and in the 1901 census of the same year three of their children Lily, Willy (William) and Samuel were living with Joseph's sister Edna Stratton and her family.  William and Samuel were still with Edna in 1911.  I can't find what happened to Maria, there is no obvious death or remarriage but why would she leave her children with their Aunt for at least 10 years?  There is a record of a Mary Hardy b. 1862 in City of London as an Inmate at the Lambeth Workhouse but is this her?  The first name and YOB are wrong but who knows??  Does anyone have any ideas where I should look next?
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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 November 23 05:26 GMT (UK) »


"In Feb 1901 Joseph died"

Where did he die?....what was cause of death?......who is the informant?.......is he described as widower?.....where is he buried?

"...1901 census.......three of their children Lily, Willy (William) and Samuel were living with Joseph's sister Edna Stratton and her family". 

What names do you have for other children?.   Have you located them in the 1901 and 1911 Census?

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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 November 23 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Yes I agree with wivenhoe the information on the death certificate for Joseph would provide valuable information.

When was their youngest child born?

Names and ages are often incorrect so a Mary born 1862 shouldn't be ruled out just yet **

** according to the census record that lady was single and a domestic servant.
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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 November 23 18:15 GMT (UK) »
I've found the family in 1891 - Lilly is mis-transcribed as Kitty F Hardy

GRO index shows HAIDY, LILLY  FRANCES born in the June quarter 1887

Other children were I believe

Joseph Thomas 1882
George Gabriel 1885
Lilly Frances 1887
Samuel 1889
William 1893

Sorry have to rush off - back later.
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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 November 23 03:51 GMT (UK) »
Family tree on Anc lists Joseph Hardy's cause of death - Heart disease. Notified by sister Edna Stratton 35 Zoar Street, Southwark

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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 November 23 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

Thanks very much for your help and top tips.  I have Joseph's death cert (died age 42) and as mentioned above the informant was his sister Edna Stratton. The cert makes no mention of his marital status.  He was living in Southwark at the time.  I don't know where he was buried.
Joseph and Maria had 5 children:
Joseph T - 1882
George G - 1885 (my relation)
Lily F - 1887
Samuel - 1889
William - 1892

From ancestry.co.uk I contacted someone who has Samuel in their tree and she gave me some interesting info:

The story goes that, as a boy George stole a whip from a Hansom cab and was sent to reform school in Newcastle. Upon release he stayed up there, married Jane and opened a sweet shop. He visited my Mum's family in Southwark from time to time and had thoughts of opening a shop down there, though that never happened. I know very little about Maria, she left Joseph when Samuel was very young and he always refused to talk about her - my Mum tried to find out more and would love to have known why she left, where she went etc but she never got very far. Joseph died young when Samuel was still a boy and he and his younger brother Bill ended up in a children's home (the same one as Charlie Chaplin). When their names were posted on a list of children to be sent to Australia, Joseph's older sister Edna took them in and they stayed living with her for the rest of their childhood.
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On the 1901 census I found a Maria Smith (has she reverted to her maiden name?) living in Greenwich about 2-3 miles from where Joseph died and she has an occupation of Bakery / Confectionery Shop - own account.  I wonder whether this is the reference to a sweet shop from the info above that has got a bit distorted over time.  I may be clutching at straws though.

It doesn't help that her maiden name was Smith but to be fair finding info about her father John Smith is even worse.

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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 November 23 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

In 1891 the family were living in Brockley. This could be Maria,

28 June 1895
Brockley News

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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 November 23 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Now, that would be a turn up! Makes a difference from Coal Miners and Agricultural Labourers. I shall check out the addresses.

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Re: Maria Elizabeth Hardy (nee Smith) b. 1861 is missing in 1901
« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 November 23 22:09 GMT (UK) »
1896 Sam and William are registered as attending St John The Evangelist School  in Camden. Home address is 22 Kingsgate St