Thanks Carole just nothing concrete on the marriage to earnest Morley, Doris would also have been 54 at the time and back then they were usually married in there 20s I may join findmypast so I can have access to the 1921 records got plenty of other problems it could help with having the same problem with her sister Edith Oldham born 15 June 1913 Bap 29 June 1913 same thing nothing concrete to go on at least with access to 1921 census will give me a starting point, Area and so on, as always thank you for you help much appreciated. Rich