Help please is this the same person?

[bevj]

The William Cleaver who died in Fremantle, W.A. in 1978 (death registered in 1979) is on the index as parents unknown, aged 77.
Bev

[sandiep]

I think we are short of info.....do you mean you have williams mothers marriage and a divorce not sure what info you have you say have rest of family so can you just expand for us so we are loooking in right direction

[Millmoor]

Passenger list departing London 10 April 1922 for Freemantle has a Wm Cleaver b 1900. Last UK address is given as 13 Lyttleton Road, Aigburth, Liverpool. I would suggest you obtain the 1921 census for Willesden William noted in an earlier post and look at the relationship to head column.

William

[daisy33]

Sorry if I am not posting enough info.  I didn't want  lovely people wasting their time on  information I already have.
I have Katherine's  first marriage to Naslund and subsequent divorce, then her second marriage and further children.   William is not with any of them on any census  after 1911 with any of them or other family info. I have.  He is just the missing link.

Mabel the Garston 1921 entry is interesting as William is listed as an adopted son! again I wonder if it is him.

Thank you Bevj for the death info.  I think I will try to follow that link.

I do appreciate everyone's help

[sandiep]

thanks Daisy it helps to know you only had up to 1911 and what his mothers name was and divorce etc it actually stops us trying to find family info if you can tellus what you know ......doses mean we will find what you need but its fun trying

[daisy33]

Millmoor thank you for the departure information.  I have followed up to the Willseden William on 1921 censes and  he is listed as adopted son of the widowed head of household  Gertrude Mary McManus

[Andy J2022]

Just to answer your original query, I don't think the Royal Navy man is the same person as 'your' William. On the Navy record the man was born in Willesden Green and prior to joining the Navy in July 1919 he had previously been a steward in the Merchant Navy. In the 1939 Register there's a Horace W Cleaver date of birth 20 Jan 1900 single, a caterer (snack bar) living at 29 Vardens Rd Clapham, so he may possibly be the Navy man. There's a Horace William Cleaver in the 1921 Census living with an Alice Beatrice and Joseph in London. I haven't paid to get more details. However Horace William Cleaver born Q1 1900 to Joseph and Kate Cleaver in Hackney which is the opposite side of London to Willesden Green. In the 1901 Census Horace William is living with parents Joseph and Kate Cleaver at 27 Englefield Rd Hackney, and in 1911 he's still with his parents (married 12 years) at 7 Wellington Road Hackney along with 4 sisters one of who is named Alice B Cleaver.  William died in Bermondsey in 1940 aged 40. That all points away from your William being the Navy man, who seems more likely to have been Horace.

[Millmoor]

Try Australia WW 2 army service records - there is a William Cleaver there with Date of Birth 20 Jan 1900 but place of birth is given as Barnet, England.( Married to D Cleaver).

Hope this link works.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx

Added : Page 9 of his service record has a photograph of him.

[daisy33]

Thank you Andy, it is seeming that my William isn't the Willesden one bu thank you for  your help.

Millmoor thank you again I will follow your link, the magnet for me is the mention of Barnet 

Will have to sign off for tonight but will report back  with any updates.

Thank you kind people