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Help please is this the same person?
« on: Monday 18 September 23 21:08 BST (UK) »
I would really  appreciate another brain on my missing ancestor.
The details I have are as follows:
William Cleaver born 20 January 1901 in South Mimms, Barnet. ( I have the birth certificate details from the GRO)
He is on 1901 census aged 2 months in South Mimms
and on 1911 census  in Hampstead, London.

He then seemed to disappear but I found this record  of a William Cleaver in the naval records and at first glance thought it was him but this William Cleaver was born on 20 January 1900 in Wiilesden.
I have searched for a birth in 1900 but cannot find anything at the GRO etc.  It seems  very coincidental that the birth date of 20 January is the same but the year is out.

Am I just trying to make him fit do you think?
He doesn't appear anywhere else with the rest of the family and was never mentioned by any of the elders.
Sorry for the  long message but I am trying to give as much info. as I can.

Any thoughts would be welcome. Thank you

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:12 BST (UK) »
as you have his birth cert what are his parents names might help to trace him
Pender, Raphael,Lambert,Digby,Stent,
Dowell,cornish,mulley,Death,Rosier,
East End,Suffolk,Essex,Cornwall,Devon,London,  middlesex, hertfordshire                                      Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:16 BST (UK) »
Hello

Mother's name Katherine Lucy Cleaver    no father's name listed.

He never appears anywhere with his mother on any future census records and not knowing the father's name is a dead end  :(

He was listed as  a grandson of the  head of the household on 1901 census with Katherine also in the household aged 16.
in 1911 he is listed  at Katherine's London residence as 'other relative'  and it was only by searching the GRO that I discovered she was his birth mother

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:18 BST (UK) »
There's a Royal Naval Register record for a Mr Cleaver with the 20 Jan 1900 dob - his forenames are John William


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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that.   I have also found a couple of Naval registers for a William Cleaver with the 1900 year of birth but the trouble is that unlike Army records there is no record of next of kin etc.  so I have no way of knowing if this is him or not :-\

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:22 BST (UK) »
his mother married a Anders Petter Naslund 1908
william is with them on 1911 census
Pender, Raphael,Lambert,Digby,Stent,
Dowell,cornish,mulley,Death,Rosier,
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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:25 BST (UK) »
A tree on ancestry has a William Cleaver born 1900 Barnet marrying in Perth Australia to a
Daphne Doreen Pennington 1904–1986.
No day or month of birth for William but his death 8 January 1979.
There are no sources given so maybe finding a death certificate for this man may give more information about his parents and children. There is a daughter for William and his wife on the tree but as she may still be living (born 1930) I can't give her name.

Added: William's mother and Anders Naslund were divorced according to the 1939 entry for him
Cris

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:30 BST (UK) »
Willesden William is in Garston, Lancs in 1921

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Re: Help please is this the same person?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 September 23 21:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you crisane   I will have a look at that.   It's the 1900 birth year that's throwing me. I know
 they can be out  by a year or so but it's worth me trying to follow that one up.

I do have the Divorce info. and subsequent remarriage thank you to you and sandiep for that info,
I have the rest of the family tracked up to the present day; it's just William who is the missing link.

I will see if the Australia one  is a link and report back when I can.