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Offline Talacharn

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 September 23 22:25 BST (UK) »
At the same time, my great-grandparents were fish-mongers/dealers in Pembrokeshire, hawking around town with a horse and cart. In Haverfordwest there were plenty of them, often in court for blocking the roads. My great-grandfather also had a lemonade maker that he took to the local fairs. His brother had a fish and chip shop. They would sell anything. When my great-grandfather died, my great grand-mother married again and then moved to Carmarthen where the whole family were fish-mongers. Even during WW2 fish was not rationed. My grand-father then sold fish around Laugharne.

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 September 23 22:54 BST (UK) »
I can only see "Fish Dealer"
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 September 23 22:55 BST (UK) »
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 September 23 00:15 BST (UK) »
The additional writing looks like an annotation either by the person collecting the form or at a later time when they were assessing all the occupations/some times they looked back at previuos censuses to check.   

Fish dealer does look as though it is the phrase inserted and it is not unknown for inland towns to have fish dealers/mongers.  Ideally suited to a person/shopkeeper  who was travelling regularly to market towns or coastal towns. In those days the arrival of the fish dealer was a once a week treat as the fish would not keep for long without refrigeration.   


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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 September 23 02:20 BST (UK) »
But it may not be in the letter i after F as there is no dot, but it could be a 'u'.?

I think the dot of the "i" is between the two "1"s of "11".

Looks like "fish dearler" (fish dealer) to me too.

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 September 23 10:25 BST (UK) »
Can we not get fixated on fish?

Milford Haven across the Cleddau River was the main fishing port it is they who used to come over and see fish. My lot where Italian and sold ice cream on a horse and cart.

https://www.milfordfishdocks.com/about/history/
The original result was a Rag'n'Bone Man.

I re-visited link with somebody else asking about marine stores please read.

https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/69339-Marine-Store-dealer
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 September 23 11:06 BST (UK) »
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Can we not get fixated on fish?

You seem to be fixated on it not being fish!

I have considered whether the word might be iron. BUT the final letter looks more like h than n, and the first letter more like f than i.
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 September 23 11:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that, did you read the link I sent? I found it quite interesting. The only reason I think this might be an error is there somebody suggested it might have been put in by the ennumerator for some reason. We have a lot of oral history, that has been passed down and the issue is they were only about six or seven male Devotes since 1841 living in Pembroke.  At one time three Italian families had marine store dealer shops next door to each other. One family had 2 marine store dealers in the past. They were next door to each other. The reason I cannot accept this is it is totally out of sync with the family business and who they dealt with. Pembroke itself is well known for being for whatever reason a terrifically overpopulated rabbit community, and that is the main income for families for many years. I had a quick look at Kelly's directory and there was a fishmongers in Tenby, and later in Pembroke Dock, which makes sense as they were more fishing ports. Pembroke Castle has a Quay, and in the old days it was used for import export. Anyhow on Jacob's death certificate and said he was a farmer! Are we definitely know that's not true. Anyway thank you for all your help and I hope more people find Marine store dealers in their trees and then they will get more insight into the lifestyle of these people.
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 September 23 11:30 BST (UK) »
In 2010 stanmapstone wrote a very good post here about marine store dealers (reply #4):
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=447336.0

reply #13 also notes the number of marine store dealers in various censuses.