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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 10:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the information. I haven't researched the 1911, 1921 census yet .  That will be my next move.

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 20:41 BST (UK) »
Robert's early years seem straighforward I think. Parents Robert Scott and Margaret Campbell, from his marriage cert info.

I think this is the family in 1891:

Robert Scott 51 labourer b. Campsie, Stirlingshire
Margaret Scott 50 b. Campsie, Stirlingshire
Annie Scott 11 b. Glasgow
Robert Scott 8 b. Glasgow
Bella Scott 4 b. Glasgow

Address 263 Nuneaton St

Annie showing with siblings Robert and Bella in 1901, together with her husband John Nixon and young children.

Robert Snr. and Margaret Campbell may not have married. Margaret shows as Housekeeper to Robert Snr. on the 1881 census. Can't see a marriage for them so far.

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 20:50 BST (UK) »
Did Robert Jnr. and Elizabeth have at least ten children? All births registered in Bridgeton between 1904 and 1925. One early death in 1924 of baby Annie.

Should make it easier to find them on the later censuses.

Elizabeth remarried an Andrew McSkimming in 1948? All three surnames (Eardley, Scott and McSkimming) show on her death indexed entry in 1967 in Dalziel.

What happened with Robert Jnr? Do you have his death registration pre 1948?

Monica
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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #21 on: Friday 15 September 23 01:22 BST (UK) »
In 1901 Robert, 18, Washer Bottle store, is at at 165, Bernard Street with his sister Bella who witnessed his marriage in 1903.
In the same census Adam Hamilton, 32, a boiler maker, is at 442 Baltic St with a wife and 2 sons.
Given the names of Adam's sons, there may well be a connection, but they are not the same person.

Have you found Robert in 1911 and 1921?
Well done Isabel...

Quite a few things there to confirm their identities differ, age difference being the most obvious as Robert is almost half the age of Adam  ;)

I agree there's a good chance they're related & as I mentioned previously, more research is needed.

JCD...I realise going back isn't going to solve the problem/assumption of Robert changing his name.

Have you considered DNA to try & solve/resolve the rumours?


Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #22 on: Friday 15 September 23 01:40 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth remarried an Andrew McSkimming in 1948? All three surnames (Eardley, Scott and McSkimming) show on her death indexed entry in 1967 in Dalziel.

What happened with Robert Jnr? Do you have his death registration pre 1948?

Monica
Monica, it's interesting to see there's no change of surname on Elizabeth's death indexes!

However, we don't know if there was a situation where Robert went AWOL & possibly did change his name & Elizabeth being able to claim Robert as deceased after 7 yrs if he had disappeared...?

Intriguing  ???

It would be interesting to know whether Robert was alive on any of their children's BCs MCs to narrow down a possible time of his death or presumed death.

Edit...to my error above  :-[

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #23 on: Friday 15 September 23 09:29 BST (UK) »
Once again everyone, I really do appreciate your input and can see a lot more research needs to be carried out to solve this properly.

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 16 September 23 00:31 BST (UK) »
JCD...

Would it not be an idea to try & locate the BC of your direct ancestor Robert to see what info. is recorded & at least 1 other BC of a sibling for comparison?

I could only find a likely entry for Bella based on mms...

SCOTT ISABELLA - CAMPBELL (mms) - 1896 - 644 / 4 / 900 - CALTON (GLASGOW)

The date/place of her parents' marriage will be recorded, whether or not it's the truth?

I can't find any positive entries for Annie or Robert, whether the mms hasn't been entered yet/missed or they were born illegitimately?

As Monica suggested, the latter seems likely.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"