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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 09 September 23 22:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you - That is extremely useful to know.

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 September 23 02:06 BST (UK) »
A lot of Scottish marriages took place in private residences back then.
I agree with Shaun, often the home of the bride/relative/friend/employer or elsewhere...

It would be unusual to have the full address of a/the church written down, it would usually just have the name of the church.
The presence of an actual address suggests the marriage was not conducted in the UFC.

I looked up the VRs (Valuation Rolls) & prior to 1905, Adam Hamilton was the Tenant/Occupier of 87 Old Dalmarnock Road which is listed under the Parish of Barony (Glasgow Burgh) or Barony (Lanark County).

It would be an idea to check the 1901 census to find out more about him & maybe work out why they were married in his residence, whether he was related/employer or?...

HAMILTON ADAM
TENANT/OCCUPIER - 87 OLD DALMARNOCK ROAD - BARONY 1895 - VR010200467-

Annie



South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 September 23 02:32 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth's address Baltic St (1901 cen has her family in Baltic St )
That's interesting as there's an Adam Hamilton, 32 yrs, Boiler Maker at 442 Baltic Street with a wife Eliza & 2 kids, Adam 4 & Alex 1.

They can be found here although I can't say it's the correct man without comparing with the VRs...http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sna/

This could be their marriage index which would tie in with the ages of Adam 4 & Alex 1 in 1901...

HAMILTON ADAM / BEVERIDGE ELIZABETH HELEN - 1897 - 644 / 2 / 170 CAMLACHIE (Lanark)

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 10 September 23 09:47 BST (UK) »
87 was a route point for cycling runs in 1909
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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 September 23 10:06 BST (UK) »
In the 1860s and 1870s, 87 Old Dalmarnock Road was the address of the Bridgeton parish school, and of the minister and church officer of Bridgeton parish.

It doesn't seem to be listed in the 1891 or 1901 Scotland censuses.

In 1899 it was the registered address of the Union and Crown Lodge Independent Gardeners Friendly Society

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Reports_of_the_Chief_Registrar_of_Friend/lG0RAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%2287+old+dalmarnock+road%22&dq=%2287+old+dalmarnock+road%22&printsec=frontcover
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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 10 September 23 17:08 BST (UK) »
Can I say a huge 'thank you' to everyone.  There is more than a rumour in our family history  that Robert Scott (who lived sometime at 87 Dalmarnock Rd) and who worked as an Aerated Water worker in Glasgow was also a money-lender, and came across many enemies (I suppose it goes with the territory). But further, that he changed his name, (presumably to re-invent himself) which we have never been able to find out. I do believe the 'Adam Hamilton' mentioned previously, is indeed him, as he also had a wife Eliza, and children Alex and Adam.

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 02:03 BST (UK) »
There is more than a rumour that Robert Scott changed his name.
I do believe the 'Adam Hamilton' mentioned previously, is indeed him, as he also had a wife Eliza, and children Alex and Adam.
It would be interesting to know what info. is given on this marriage which was prior to your Robert &
Elizabeth's marriage in 1903, given Robert Scott was a bachelor when he married Elizabeth Eardly?

Knowing who they each gave as parents, fathers' occupations, their ages etc.

It's not impossible if you think Adam Hamilton & Robert Scott were the same person, the 2nd marriage with a different name may have been bigamy?

However, if that were the case I think he would still have given the main info. as it should be, his age, occ, parents' names & father's occ. albeit with himself using a different name on the 2nd marriage?

HAMILTON ADAM / BEVERIDGE ELIZABETH HELEN - 1897 - 644 / 2 / 170 CAMLACHIE (Lanark)

I don't think the 2 women were the same person.

More research needed & that would be my 1st step, the 1897 MC.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 09:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the information. Yes, on reflection, I can see that more research is needed. But speaking to older family members recently, we know for certain that Robert Scott later went by another name. My family say it was due to nature of his money-lending enterprise which made him extremely unpopular . 

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Re: Help. Deciphering. 1903 marriage cert Scotland
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 September 23 10:51 BST (UK) »
In 1901 Robert, 18, Washer Bottle store, is at at 165, Bernard Street with his sister Bella who witnessed his marriage in 1903.
In the same census Adam Hamilton, 32, a boiler maker, is at 442 Baltic St with a wife and 2 sons.
Given the names of Adam's sons, there may well be a connection, but they are not the same person.

Have you found Robert in 1911 and 1921?
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland