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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 09 September 23 01:13 BST (UK) »
There are 7 Wade/Sugden births on freebmd from 1912 - 1930 - all North Bierley RD

Yours

George 1911
Wilfred 1913
Horace 1915
Ethel 1921 - see 1939 register

Others

Harry 1917
John 1923
Mary 1928
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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 09 September 23 01:17 BST (UK) »
Wilfred is mine, my great grandfather

Mary also, as she reached adulthood and many of my family met her.

John and harry I have no way to confirm other than birth certificates, or news articles will look into further. I had assumed both were mine before you introduced me to this marriage! I am going to check David's siblings and cousins to see if there is an Albert marrying an Edith. John again was Charlottes father and I had just assumed they had had a John passing in infancy, and had reused this name for their later son, but John is a common name  ;D ;D ;D.

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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 09 September 23 01:19 BST (UK) »
The 1939 entry for Albert & Edith has no children or redacted entries
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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 09 September 23 02:06 BST (UK) »
There was another Wade/ Sugden marriage in 1889
Look like John and Esther belong to them.
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJF-23R


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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 09 September 23 07:13 BST (UK) »
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but are available free on GRO online

Hi Carole, I am aware, but I believe they also had children (who passed young) past 1923 (which I believe is when mothers maiden name stops appearing) which is what I was referring to. Thanks  :)

Just to state, as I am still unclear as to what you believe, GRO may not show mmn after a certain date, but they are there on freebmd.  I checked out a son born 1986, no mmn on GRO, showing on freebmd.

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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 09 September 23 09:31 BST (UK) »
I agree with CaroleW. He probably thought he had to name all children on the form, living or dead, and then realised his mistake. I wouldn't say that it supports the child having died between filling out and submitting the form, unless other evidence of the child's date of death supports that.

One of my ancestors did something similar in the 1911 census, listing three children, one of whom had died several years previously. But having either realised his mistake or having had it pointed out, ho compounded it further by crossing out and marking as deceased one of the two surviving children, leaving the deceased one still apparently alive.
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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 09 September 23 10:27 BST (UK) »
Info only, 1921 census

David
Charlotte
Sarah Ann
George
Wilfred

WADE, GEORGE       SUGDEN 
GRO Reference: 1911  D Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY  Volume 09B  Page 66

WADE, WILFRED       SUGDEN 
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY  Volume 09B  Page 90

Possible son birth and death for David & Charlotte

WADE, HORACE       SUGDEN 
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY  Volume 09B  Page 73

WADE, HORACE       aged 2 
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY  Volume 09B  Page 94

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1921 Albert & Edith by themselves

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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 09 September 23 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi softly softly.  See my reply 9 re births

Hi Comberton -good find.  1911 shows John & Esther with parents Jason & Rose Hannah Wade

From the second qtr 1911 mmn are shown on free bmd as well as GRO online

From 1924 GRO online entries do not show mmn but are still useful as they show all christian names in full whereas freebmd will often only have an initial for the second name
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Re: Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 09 September 23 11:35 BST (UK) »
You can search on the GRO from 1924-1934 and 1984 onwards if you fill in a known mothers maiden name.