Missing birth Records1858,1859,1860.

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Again info only: James Mornement was with his mother Jane in 1851 census at 9 Up Homerton Terrace, Hackney. James occupation Commercial Traveller. There is an article dated 8th August 1855 in The Morning Post re a James Mondement as a witness etc. He is a traveller for Messrs Rogers & Co.

Wondering what address of birth for James Arthur Monroe is in 1857, may link together.

SS

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Sorry further info. When Eliza/Elizabeth married James Mornement in 1860 she records her father as Arthur Richard Taylor occupation Surveyor.

In the 1841 census Elizabeth is with her sister Mary Jane Taylor aged 1

TAYLOR, MARY  JANE     mmn FERGUSON 
GRO Reference: 1840  S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) IN THE

Mary went on to marry John Lewis Pugh Pryce Morgan 6th May 1860 and records her father as Arthur Taylor occupation Surveyor

Witnesses to the marriage were Augustus Taylor, Elizabeth Taylor and Elizabeth Byzanta MONROE


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[Essnell]

Hi everyone once again,
Over night much more to consider…..

Deidre784   I wondered if they may be the same couple, at least getting the children registered.     However  possibly James Monro(e) needs looking for as an individual before this assumption can be considered.

Maybe Monroe was  just a name used, like Smith at times. 

Jonw65

 It does seem strange somehow
It could all be coincidental.

The Chemist and druggist fits with the one Census  where James  [Arthur] is single  and a Pupil to a chemist.. 

Re the instant digital images. I will try for those but aren’t hopeful of success. My internet is slow and identity stuff often fails as it times out. 
I shall try also for the 1861 Census.

Sunday Sep 3.  Have tried to get the Digital image for the three children  No luck - still problem with this security thing. Can not do much till I get to a better connection tomorrow.   


Softly Softly:
This is really tipping the world upside down  -  For more  than just me.

So all I had for James Mornement’s wife is Elizabeth Charlotte Taylor born 1837 West London died 1917, Thanet, England.   This info is on quite an old document – a whole family tree over 9 generations and  about 30 or more years since I received it and some has not been checked my me until now. I was warned there could be mistakes.   Yes there were lots. So another one discovered. 

I wonder where the info on E C Taylor was located. 

It's not all that big a difference. Just the middle name.  I had nothing about her parents either way.  Why? Too much else on the  table.

Even so this Monroe part needs to be solved.  What happened to James Monroe?

I do not have any of the records from the original compilation. Sadly.

Question: Has anyone seen Elizabeth’s marriage to James Monroe.  Did James Mornement adopt the three children ?

Okay I shall keep looking too.

Thank you all again.....Essnell

[Essnell]

Hi jonw65,
At last I have those images of the birth entries Quite small but

 :  Emily Elizabeth Mary :  Date 23 June 1860    registered by Mother Elizabeth Monroe formerly Taylor.
 Sam address for place of birth and mother as Informant :

12 York Terrace Kingsland.     
Father: Woollen Manufacturer.


:  James Arthur  :  Date 27th January, 1857    place is same for where born and Mother's residence  informant Mother 

1 Frederick Place, Fox Lane.  plus    West Hackney for mother. Father's Ocup:   Clerk at Lloyds.

I could also get the Robert Henry one, but that probably will not help at present.

Cheers Essnell

Hope this adds something  to help.

[Essnell]

Hi again Everyone, 

Softly Softly
 I have tried to find a marriage for Elizabeth Byzanta Taylor to James Monroe.  Between 1854 and 1860. 

No result from FreeBMD for that pair -  but one for James Monroe and Hannah Taylor in 1857.

I also looked for a death for James Monroe between 1854 and 1860. 

One such person died in  1857. 
GRO REF:  1857 D Quarter   Vol 10B page 42    but this is in Newcastle Upon Tyne.     He was 29.

Any ideas from here - anyone . 
Thank you all again.
Essnell

[allanpeter]

You have certainly been 'digging deeper' than I have been.  I have assumed that the first three children were born 'pre-wedlock' to James Mornement and Elizabeth CB Taylor, and that Robert and Emily were twins.  Monroe might well have been an assumed name - James' father(Robert dcd 1846) was a declared bankrupt, and James' younger brother (Mark Downing) had served 12 months for stealing a horse and chaise, before emigrating to America where he travelled under name variants.  The Fox Lane address puzzles me, as the census records for three firstborn all point towards Hounslow as place of birth.  Baptism records would help, but are proving difficult to find.
I follow your research with interest.

[jonwarrn]

Baptized 9 January 1859, South Hackney
James Arthur and Robert Henry
Parents James + Elizabeth Munro
abode George Street London Fields
Father Woolen Draper

I posted a double baptism of the two Munro(e) boys.
Clerk at Lloyds is a surprise, it's a bit out from the other occupations which seem to involve buying & selling / business in some kind of way.

[rosie99]

Just posting the 1861 for information
11, Brooksby Walk Homerton, Hackney
James Monument - Married   - 39   occ Agent fancy dresses   born Norfolk, England
Elizabeth   24   bn Middlesex
Jane   Monument   Mother Widow - 63 - Independant bn Norfolk
James Arthur   - 4   bn Middlesex
Robert Henry   - 2   bn Middlesex
Emily - 9 months    bn Middlesex

[allanpeter]

I think the Canada connection died out with the death of the unmarried daughter Emily Maud Gorringe in February 1946. I was sad to see this as I was hoping for a few Canadian cousins.