Missing birth Records1858,1859,1860.

[rosie99]

There is a marriage in St Dunstan in the West 20 December 1860 between a James Mornement (father Robert Mack Mornement) and ELIZA Taylor (father Arthur Richard Taylor)

[jonwarrn]

There are these three

MONROE, JAMES  ARTHUR     
Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 309

MUNROE, ROBERT  HENRY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 354

MONROE, EMILY  ELIZABETH MARY    
Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 314

[jonwarrn]

Followed in the 1860's by some Mornement - Taylor births in Hackney

[jonwarrn]

Baptized 9 January 1859, South Hackney
James Arthur and Robert Henry
Parents James + Elizabeth Munro
abode George Street London Fields
Father Woolen Draper

[Essnell]

Hi Everyone and thanks. 
You are as always amazing. 

Deidre  yes!  I stumbled on that late yesterday. I wondered why I did not find it before this but it's James Arthur and confirms the DOB .. one to look for.

Hi rosie99. That marriage is also that of the parents.  Eliza is Elizabeth Charlotte Taylor. 

 Now the next reply from Johnw65 throws a new light on everything plus another question.   

Who is Monroe? What happened to James Monroe.   
What happened that Eliza[Elizabeth] married James Mornement


I also found the Newspaper entry for the marriage  of James and Elizabeth Mornement's Daughter Louisa.
It says she is the second daughter of James and Elizabeth Mornement.    UMMMM

So in actual fact that's not true.
So I shall try to find out about James Monro(e)

Just thinking through this.
 Emily married and eventually went to Canada as did her Daughter.  I have found quite a lot about this Canada connection as I worked through this section. 

Thank you all, You are amazing and I really appreciate your time and effort to help here. 

Onward...  Cheers Essnell

[Deirdre784]

Is it possible that James and Eliza(beth) Mornement and James and Eliza(beth) Monro (edited to remove Taylor 🙄) are the same couple 🤔

Do you have their marriage certificate?

[jonwarrn]

My feeling was that James Monroe and James Mornement were likely to be the same person.
But the children are not registered as Mornement until after that marriage in 1860 that Rosie posted.
It is interesting that James' father was Robert, the same name as the second Monroe son.
It is all a bit strange though.

James Monroe was a woollen dealer on those baptisms, and on the later ones James Mornement was described as a chemist & druggist and as a merchant.

Now that you can get the instant digital images of births for just £2.50 from the GRO website, it may be worth buying one or two. Perhaps the one for Emily in 1860, as it is close to both the marriage date and the census the following year. See if there is anything on it to tie things together.

[softly softly]

Quote from your last reply "Hi rosie99. That marriage is also that of the parents.  Eliza is Elizabeth Charlotte Taylor. "

In actual fact she is actually Elizabeth Byzanta Taylor. Her father recorded as Arthur Taylor.

She was baptised 8th February 1837 St Dunstan, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, parents Arthur and Mary.

1841 census ref 697 30 4

Her and James deaths

MORNEMENT, ELIZABETH  BYZANTA     aged 80 
GRO Reference: 1917  D Quarter in THANET  Volume 02A  Page 1252

MORNEMENT, JAMES       aged 80 
GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in THANET  Volume 02A  Page 654

In 1901 census with her married daughter

Piece   823
Folio   58
Page number   12
Household schedule number   79

Emily E M Gorringe 39 Head
Elizabeth B Monument   62   Mother

1911 census 4489 40

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[softly softly]

Info only:

Following the marriage of Emily Elizabeth Mary Mornement to Alfred William Gorringe in 1883 they had 2 children. Alfred died 1887.

Charles James Gorringe mq 1884 buried 23.8.1884
Emily Maud mq 1886--details known

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