Joseph Fleming, Brigham, Cockermouth.

[honeybun]

Is anyone researching this family please?  I have Joseph Fleming born 1828 and brother Robert born 1834, both Cockermouth.  I cannot get back to their father Robert, as the only information I have is from Joseph's marriage certificate to Frances Hodgson on 24/7/1856, which states that his father Robert is deceased.  Robert (brother) was married after Joseph so the same certificate information will apply.

Also there are probably other children, but I haven't found them.

Are there are other ways I might find their father?

Honeybun

[Neale1961]

Baptisms of children in All Saints Cockermouth to Robert and Mary Fleming:
Matthew Jackson Fleming – Oct 1822  [He married in 1845 to Dorothy Barrowscale]; died 1852.
Jackson Fleming – July 1827 [He married in 1868 to widow Ann Jordan, nee Brennan]
Joseph Fleming – 11 May 1834
Isaac Fleming – 11 May 1834 (died 1836)
Robert Fleming – 11 May 1834


1851 census for Robert and Mary plus son
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2L-9SL

1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73V-T89
I believe Robert's occupation here says "tanner journeyman"

[Neale1961]

Be  aware (to avoid confusion)– there is another Fleming family in St Bees – parents are Robert and Mary and they have children with similar names. That Robert Fleming is a farmer. I think the wife is Mary Moore (marriage 1815). 
I don’t believe this is  your family.

[Neale1961]

I think this is possibly the marriage for your Robert and Mary:

Marriage Low Lorton Cumberland 1 Aug 1812
Robert FLEMING to Mary STABLER
Grooms abode – Loweswater
Brides abode – Lorton

Other children: -
Sarah Fleming baptism 12 Feb 1815 Brigham
John Fleming baptism 11 May 1817 Brigham.


Possibly a son named William bapt July 1819 in Low Lorton – father Robert (labourer) and mother Mary.
Abode - Littlethwaite
(see FreeReg)



I couldn’t find baptisms for these girls with the family in the census
Jane Fleming – born about 1815
Martha Fleming – born about 1825

[Neale1961]

Death certificates to consider:

Death in S Quarter 1851 in COCKERMOUTH for Robert Fleming age 69 (Burial 31st July)

Death in M Quarter 1854 in COCKERMOUTH for Mary Fleming age 69 (Burial 22 January)

[honeybun]

Thank you so very much for all this information.
I came across the entry for Robert and Mary's marriage in Low Lorton on FreeReg, but I wasn't sure if it fitted in with the rest of their family tree because most of the Flemings I have found appear to be in Cockermouth, Brigham or Whitehaven and I didn't know if this place was in the same area.  I don't know anything about Cumberland geography except for looking at a map!
I did get the death certificate of the Robert Fleming who died in 1851 but I don't think it is the same person - I'll go back and check the Census again.  The woman who was in attendance at his death wasn't a relative but someone who lived a few doors down in the same street, and as his wife died after him I would have expected her to be present.
I was also really put off by the name "Jackson" cropping up in the family unless it was a family name/surname further back - I haven't come across it before in any of the families.
I'm now going to follow this line and hope it is useful.  Many thanks once again.
Honeybun

[Neale1961]

I did get the death certificate of the Robert Fleming who died in 1851 but I don't think it is the same person - I'll go back and check the Census again.  The woman who was in attendance at his death wasn't a relative but someone who lived a few doors down in the same street, and as his wife died after him I would have expected her to be present.

Hi Honeybun, Can you post more information about the death certificate so I know what it says. The woman in attendance at his death may have been helping the family, and perhaps was literate, whereas his wife was not.

I was also really put off by the name "Jackson" cropping up in the family unless it was a family name/surname further back - I haven't come across it before in any of the families.

Yes, you definitely need to look at the family name "Jackson", as it will take you back to earlier generations.

[honeybun]

I didn't think about the literacy aspect of the informant on the death certificate - also might it have been a relative by marriage?  Her name was Margaret Taylor and she lived a few doors away from the Flemings in Skinner Street (from the Census in 1841 and 1851).   She was "in attendance" - so perhaps had helped to look after him?

 I'll also look at the Jackson surname as you suggest.

[Neale1961]

Given the address in Skinner Street, I think that is the correct death certificate.
Margaret Taylor may have had some nursing skills, or was just a helpful and caring neighbour.

I was looking at the Jackson Fleming name yesterday, and am still trying to make sense of it all, and follow various family lines. I will post some more information later.