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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 August 23 07:56 BST (UK) »
Creelman is a location in Saskatchewan, Canada (being in the south east of Canada, not right on the west coast or east coast of Canada).  Pretty near the USA Border.
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So may be he crossed over the border into USA, eventually made it to the East Coast of USA where he departed from there back to England?

Please keep in mind that his intended destination was Saskatchewan but possibly for reasons only known to him, he may not have reached the province.  I have come across several instances where the immigrants settled in Ontario and Quebec.

Do you have access to the incoming passenger list?  A page or two after Norman’s details, three Miller women are shown as returning Canadians, headed to Creelman.  Today, Creelman is a small village; after a quick search, I cannot find its population during the early 1900s.  Was it just a coincidence that Creelman was mentioned or did Norman and the Millers know each other?  Could tracking the Millers down lead us to Norman?  :-\

I’ve not taken the time to see if other passengers were also destined for Creelman.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 August 23 08:27 BST (UK) »
I haven’t found the Millers after 1910 but their voyage to England:

Sailed on the Lake Erie, from Montreal and Quebec to Liverpool, England. Arrived 30 Nov 1909.
Margaret Miller, Housewife, age 36
Margaret Miller, age 14
Elizabeth Miller, age 11
All were recorded as “Scotch”
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 August 23 08:52 BST (UK) »
You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me  ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 27 August 23 09:13 BST (UK) »
You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me  ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland

Rosie

I think it might be Norman HULL.
his occupation is Fly hand


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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 27 August 23 09:36 BST (UK) »

No I do not know of a connection to the Millers.

It will take me some time but I will look into the "Empress of Ireland" voyage, Thanks for that suggestion.

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 27 August 23 09:41 BST (UK) »
You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me  ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland

Rosie

I think it might be Norman HULL.
his occupation is Fly hand

Thanks mckha ;)

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 29 August 23 04:07 BST (UK) »
I have managed to have a look.

The microfiche of the passenger list for Norman is too dark and also not very clear so looking at the original passenger list is very difficult.  However "Norman Kall" fits the age (24) and the birth year of 1888 is right.  Possibly the "K" could be "Fall"  for Falla, it just looks funny.  It is a possibility and fits with my Timeline.  Pity about the microfiche copy being so dark

I did check Norman Hull, Fly Hand.  His age was 18.  I do not think this is the correct one.

It was good to have the suggestions though

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Re: return to UK from Canada
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 29 August 23 07:19 BST (UK) »
I have managed to have a look.

The microfiche of the passenger list for Norman is too dark and also not very clear so looking at the original passenger list is very difficult.  However "Norman Kall" fits the age (24) and the birth year of 1888 is right.  Possibly the "K" could be "Fall"  for Falla, it just looks funny.  It is a possibility and fits with my Timeline.  Pity about the microfiche copy being so dark

I did check Norman Hull, Fly Hand.  His age was 18.  I do not think this is the correct one.

It was good to have the suggestions though

Yes it's not a very good copy  ???

Rosie