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Re: not church of England
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 08:40 BST (UK) »
BushInn1746

Thank you for your detective work,

the last bit regarding newspapers, I do have,

I am still following the great bits you found about a William Moore ,

had not seen those in My studies over the years,

Eilleen.
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
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Re: not church of England
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 26 August 23 08:35 BST (UK) »
Eilleen, have you seen:-

1871 Parish of Fosdyke
Wm Belt, Head, Mar, 47, born Sutterten Fen

over the page

Ann Moore, Serv., Un, 15, Cook, Lincs, Donnington
[Searched anc under Donington, Lincs]

Mark
Surname Belt (quote) might be Bett?

Hello Eilleen

Looking at Maps and description information, it seems you have a place or village around a main street named Gosberton and a Parish of Gosberton area which included a few hamlets and named places.

A Vision of Britiain Through Time
https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/
A search of Gosberton brings up a brief expandable description.

When the Map appears touch or click on the map and a list of map links will appear on the left.

The top link are the 1" First Edition OS (170 Sheets), useful older maps.

On the map (from the link with 114 sheets) an area called Gosberton Marsh (East of Gosberton and Hamlets) seems to go nearly to Fosdyke.

1861 Spalding Low Fields [Lowfields on recent maps]
William Moore, Lodger, Un, 32, Ag Labourer, Lincs, Fosdyke.

In the 1851 Census too (his Mother looks to have remarried), but I cannot find this William Moore after the 1861 Census to discover what happened to him, or if he married later in life?

The bapt transcription (f m p), interesting that the Mother of William Moor / Moore born Fosdyke was called Ann.

One Farmer in my family linked by marriages had 3 Farms with staff.

Agricultural Labourers often moved about a lot and relationships / children would have occurred.

A few Farm Labourers had their own small farm or smallholding.

Mark

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Re: not church of England
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 26 August 23 15:30 BST (UK) »
Mark.

Thank you for your dedication ,to My cause, The maps are so interesting,

like you say , they name other places that do not get a mention now a days .

Great Grandma Annie Moore , We will find your parents and origin of birth  :) :)

I feel sure this is the area that She meant , when all ways referring to Her place of birth as Gosberton.

flipping heck , there are a lot of churches to cover  ::)

Eilleen.
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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Re: not church of England
« Reply #39 on: Monday 28 August 23 15:30 BST (UK) »
Hello Eilleen

Unless Ann / Annie Moore is hiding and still to be found in the 1861 Census (with her Dad / Mother or with Relationship stated to the Head), or find her registered Birth or a Chapel Birth/Bapt record, I think you are going to struggle.

Ellen Jessop (Present / Witness) on the 1875 T. C. Exton = Annie Moore, Marriage. We have also presumed (presumptions always risky) from the 1875 Marriage Cert that her Father and Occupation at some point, was correct.

So I looked for Moore = Jessop marriages (before 1875), but came up with this 15 yrs later with a Gosberton link.

I'll post it, but this Wm Moore (below) is too young to be Annie Exton's Dad and I don't feel it helps ??? with Annie Moore's family of Moore:-

1900 Marriage, Pinchbeck, 4th July
Luke Jessop, 22, Labourer, Gosberton, Dan'l Jessop, Labourer.
Maria Moore, 18, Spinster, Pinchbeck, William Moore deceased, Labourer.
Present:- Edward Wilford ; Eliza Wilford.

1901 Pinchbeck
Edward Wilford, Head, M, 57, Road Labourer, Lincs., Wrangle.
Mary Ann Wilford, Wife, M, 44, born Wrangle.
Maria Jessop, Daur, 18, born Lincs., Fishtoft.
Luke Jessop, Son-in-Law, 23, born Gosberton.
David J E Jessop, G/son, 5 months, born Surfleet.
Plus 2 Visitors.

Not looked at G/son and couldn't find a first marriage to see if Mary Ann Wilford was married before / previously Moore.

1883 Maria Moore, Birth Index (f m p), Mother M. Surname: Evison, Reg. District Boston.

1882 Marriage, Fishtoft, May 17th
William Moore, 25, Bach, Labourer, Fishtoft, John More.
Mary Ann Evison, 24, Spins, Fishtoft, Rich'd Evison.
Present: David Moore ; Susanna Moore  :)

Mark


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Re: not church of England
« Reply #40 on: Monday 28 August 23 17:56 BST (UK) »
Mark,

Once again , very interesting find's,  I had not been down those line's before.

At one time, after following the witness Ellen Jessop,

I did wonder if maybe She was a relation of Great  Grandma Annie ,

and for some reason ?  Annie Moore, was not really Annie Moore at all ,

and was using an alias ,

Me struggling  :) will never give up , She is My Great Grandma Annie  :) :)
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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Re: not church of England
« Reply #41 on: Monday 28 August 23 19:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Eilleen

Something also to consider.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=860415.msg7294287#msg7294287

Regarding the 1875 Marriage at Boston, both Tom Chambers Exton and his
Father Robert's occupation are "Tailor" ...
and for William Moore's occupation it just says "Labourer".

The type of Labourer is not specified, nor is the period in William Moore's life when he was a Labourer.

I have noticed some people marrying put down their Father's occupation when they were born, others have given their Father's occupation at the time of their Marriage.

There was a job known as a Tailor's Labourer and described as a Tailor's Assistant. However, many occupations had a Labourer, e.g. Brewers Labourer etc.

William Moore, the local Tailor at nearby Donington Lincs, could of had another child?

Mark

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« Reply #42 on: Monday 28 August 23 20:29 BST (UK) »
Stamford Mercury, September 1863.

At Freiston, on the 22d inst., Mr. W. Moore, tailor, Donington, to Emma, fifth daughter of Mr. Thos Kent, of Thornton le Fen.

1863 William Moore married Emma Kent.

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« Reply #43 on: Monday 28 August 23 23:50 BST (UK) »
Stamford Mercury, September 1863.

At Freiston, on the 22d inst., Mr. W. Moore, tailor, Donington, to Emma, fifth daughter of Mr. Thos Kent, of Thornton le Fen.

1863 William Moore married Emma Kent.


Eilleen

I have got a problem discounting this William Moore, Tailor at Donington, Lincs., as unrelated to Ann Moore, until his Wife's Kent family are researched.

In 1871 an Ann Moore appears in the household of William Bett (not Belt), in the Parish of Fosdyke. In 1881 William Bott is roughly written, but his Wife's surname is clearly written Bett.

1871 Parish of Fosdyke
William Bett, Head, Mar, 47, Farmer 1100 acres, born Sutterton Fen.
Mary Bett, Wife, Mar, 50, South Willingham, Lincs.
George Bett, Nephew, Un, 26, Farmer's Son (Apprentice), South Willingham.
Mary Ann Bett, Niece, Un, 14, Scholar, South Willingham.
Servants including:-
Ann Moore, Serv, Unm, 15, Cook, born Donnington, Lincs.

In 1851, George Bett is with his parents and 4 Brothers and the Son of a Farmer:-

1851 South Willingham
William Bett, Head, M, 47, Farmer 52acres, South Willingham.
Ann Bett, Wife, M, 42, Farmer's Wife, Donington on Bain.
John Bett, Son, U, 11, Scholar,
Thomas Bett, Son, U, 9, Scholar,
George Bett, Son, U, 6, Scholar, South Willingham.
Samuel Bett, Son, U, 4,
William Bett, Son, U, 2,
All Sons born South Willingham.

I don't know if this is a coincidence or not yet, but Ann Bett was nee Ann Kent.

1833, 23rd October, Donington on Bain Marriages
William Bett, Bachelor, of South Willingham and
Ann Kent Spinster of this Parish,
By Banns.
Present: John Timm ; Jonas Brattay or Briattay (Jonas signs all on page)

Mark

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Re: not church of England
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 29 August 23 07:04 BST (UK) »
Mark,

I am so grateful for your help, you are looking at things I have not ,

I have never disregarded Ann Moore, Servant, Unmarried, 15, Cook, born Donnington, Lincs. 1871 census.

It just never lead Me anywhere  :)

but also having more surnames means I can see if any match with My DNA .

I am research what you have found for Me .

Eilleen.
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.