Ascertaining reliable date of birth

[Gordon163]

Thanks for ann interesting arrya f relies, most of which have been tried without success, alas.

Gordon

[Tickettyboo]

The only way to get an extra (lots of) pair of eyes to have a look would be to post a name and what you know of him. (not allowed to mention the living by name)

Offer is there should you decide to take it up

Boo

[CaroleW]

My reply 2

Without a name - how could anybody comment 

Lots of male deaths in 2003 with that birthdate

You obviously know his name so have you looked for his birth on freebmd?

[coombs]

Unless he is reticent due to him being a close relative and does not want to disclose too much info, but if so, then we cannot assist him any further.

[heywood]

Hi,

I am investigating the case of a man, who died in hospital, in 2003, having been admitted as an emergency. The hospital did not have his medical records to hand. The family, when they registered his death, only had a date of birth from his Army attestation, which gave his dob as 10 Aug 1915.

When the Death Certificate was produced, the date of birth was 10 Aug 1917.

Presumably, the year of birth came as a result of The Registrar contacting DWP for Pension details.

It seems to be a familiar tale of a young man altering the year of his birth to get into the army.

Any thoughts most welcome,

Thanks,

Gordon

Could it just have been an error? Did the family not challenge it at the time of receipt of the certificate?

[Gan Yam]

The family, when they registered his death, only had a date of birth from his Army attestation, which gave his dob as 10 Aug 1915.

When the Death Certificate was produced, the date of birth was 10 Aug 1917.

In my experience of registering deaths they give you the certificate at the end of the registration process before you leave the office. Could the registrar have been the one who made the error and no-one noticed at the time?

[Gordon163]

The hospital registrar, for the death, concluded that the birth was not registered, so would not enter the year of birth, before seeking further advice.

So, there is no birth name to look for!

This is essentially a question about the working of officialdom.

Clearly, this man had been drawing a state pension, which began when he was 65, at the best date that the DWP could determine.

As his death certificate indicates, that date was 2 years later than the Army Attestation date.

Obviously, some senior civil servant made a decision.

Unless someone has any further useful comments, relating to Civil Service procedure, I will not trouble you further.

Thanks for your help,

Gordon

[CaroleW]

Is there any particular reason why you won't give his name? 

You post asking for our thoughts etc but without the name of the person - how can we realistically give them?

He has been dead for 20yrs so no privacy rules are being breached

[heywood]

The hospital registrar, for the death, concluded that the birth was not registered, so would not enter the year of birth, before seeking further advice.

So, there is no birth name to look for!

This is essentially a question about the working of officialdom.


Is this hearsay or were you present?

(In England/Wales), registrars dont check birthdates with the DWP, or anyone else, it should be recorded as whatever the informant said.

Any certificate produced should match whatever is recorded on the register entry

Your information does not seem to match with usual procedures as mentioned by AntonyMMM.
Perhaps you or the family are not in possession of all the details.