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Offline wonkiewidge

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Uniform identification
« on: Wednesday 26 July 23 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

I'm hoping all you experts out there can help identify an army uniform.
A friend of mine bought a very old book and as an added bonus this photo fell out.
The back of the photo is dated June 1861.

I'm not even sure if it is a British uniform.

Any help would be appreciated.

Purely for curiosity's sake.

Many thanks,

Linda
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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 20:21 BST (UK) »
I'd guess that they are members of a Rifle Volunteers corps - part time soldiers. Like this one: https://www.militariazone.com/photos/victorian-cinque-ports-rifle-volunteers-carte-de-visite-photograph/itm17911

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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 21:43 BST (UK) »
My first impression was American Civil War but the caps do not slope forward enough ,would be The Southern Army,  but I feel the previous poster is more accurate.
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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 July 23 01:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your thoughts.

Although the uniforms are very similar, I think the hats differ somewhat.
Maybe this could be due to a differing regiment?

It seems to me that the hats/ caps have some sort of horn as an emblem on them.

Interestingly my friend thought they looked like American civil war soldiers.

Linda.
London & Middlesex
Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor,

Shropshire/ Herefordshire
Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock,

Gloucestershire - Bristol ....... Surname  'England'

Kent
Gullock

Suffolk
Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft

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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 July 23 01:52 BST (UK) »
On a second look, there does appear to be several similarities.
The pattern on the sleeve cuff is the same and also the epaulettes.

The belt and leather sash are the same too. They certainly look as if they are from a closely related section of the army.

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Linda
London & Middlesex
Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor,

Shropshire/ Herefordshire
Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock,

Gloucestershire - Bristol ....... Surname  'England'

Kent
Gullock

Suffolk
Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft

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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 July 23 03:42 BST (UK) »
To me the uniforms have a French look to them, particularly the caps or kepi.  The braiding on the sleeves could also be a representation of the Fleur de lis.  The people also look French.  The uniforms are different colours and usually/often lighter coloured uniforms mean desert or similar conditions. 

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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 July 23 04:07 BST (UK) »
Yes, I also think a French uniform.
Have a look at Garde Mobile.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 July 23 05:44 BST (UK) »
Would agree with ShaunJ - Rifle Volunteers corps in UK

At Oxford University for example:

https://www.new.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-07/11NCN10%20%282019%29%20Morgan%20on%20Rifle%20Volunteer%20Corps.pdf


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Re: Uniform identification
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 July 23 07:53 BST (UK) »
A Kepl is usually rigid, not soft topped, generally , but from photographs posted it shows some were soft topped.
The bugle looks like an American Civil War Infantry badge.
Crossed sabres Cavalry.Bugle Infantry.
However the last photograph looks a pretty good match.
Those long rifles could perhaps be of a specific date.
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