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If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« on: Sunday 16 July 23 19:54 BST (UK) »
I have just come across what is the most informative parish record I have yet seen. The 1811 entry from Stapleford, Hertfordshire, gives the date of birth as well as baptism, the mother’s maiden name, and notes that the child was the sixth born to his parents (something that even civil registration doesn’t note). If the father’s occupation had been included (something I fortunately know from 1813) it would have hit the jackpot.

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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 July 23 20:43 BST (UK) »
  I found a similar thing in a parish I am interested in, except for the 6th child bit. A new rector in 1806 entered mother's maiden name and child's birth date. Unfortunately the new registers in 1813 put a stop to it, except for odd notes.
   I wonder if this was something other clergy were doing at that time?
 
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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 July 23 20:56 BST (UK) »
The Dade registers tended to give more info, and the Barrington registers 1798-1812 for Durham and Northumberland. Through this I was able to prove a suspected Scottish link in my tree, and another one was from near the Yorks/Lancashire border and moved to Cockfield in Durham.

Not sure if the Dade registers included parishes in Hertfordshire. I doubt Dade covered Suffolk but several Suffolk parishes in 1790-1837 gave mothers maiden name. I struggled to find a marriage for William Mayhew and Eliz Bridges (as her mmn was given in her children's Hacheston baptisms, as was all other couples baptising children at the time in Hacheston) but it turned out Elizabeth had been married before, so William Mayhew wed her when she was using her previous married name.
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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 July 23 22:03 BST (UK) »
I have just come across what is the most informative parish record I have yet seen. The 1811 entry from Stapleford, Hertfordshire, gives the date of birth as well as baptism, the mother’s maiden name, and notes that the child was the sixth born to his parents (something that even civil registration doesn’t note). If the father’s occupation had been included (something I fortunately know from 1813) it would have hit the jackpot.

As Coombs has said, such information was standard for Barrington era registers in the Diocese of Durham, 1798 - 1812. Those of us with ancestors in the north east has reason to be very grateful to Bishop Shute Barrington who insisted that this amount of detail was entered in the baptism registers in his Diocese.
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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 July 23 08:11 BST (UK) »
Also sometimes if you are very lucky, the Barrington registers include the name of the child's maternal grandfather.  ;D
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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 July 23 09:07 BST (UK) »
Also sometimes if you are very lucky, the Barrington registers include the name of the child's maternal grandfather.  ;D

Yes, I've had a couple of those.  :D
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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 July 23 09:57 BST (UK) »
Dade Registers - as well as the three Yorkshire Ridings, York and the Ainsty, Dade covered

Cheshire - Alsager, Macclesfield and Witton
Devon - Uplyme
Essex - Moreton
Lancashire - Aldingham, Ashton in Makerfield, Blowith, Hawkshead, Hindley, Lowick, Rufford, Satterthwaite
Nottinghamshire 0 Beeston, Coddington, East Stoke, Finningley, Mansfield, Sutton Bonington, Syerston, Teversal
Surrey - Chertsey

Added - the number of Yorkshire parishes covered -

Ainsty - 14
York - 23
East Riding - 46
North Riding - 33
West Riding - 42
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 July 23 10:48 BST (UK) »
That’s interesting about Chertsey. I have some records from the late C18th to early C19th, but they are no different from the previous, none-too-informative ones. I wonder what time period these records cover?

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Re: If only all parish records were as informative as this…
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 July 23 12:30 BST (UK) »
Looking at the images for Chertsey baptisms, the "Dade-type" entries only appear from January 1809.

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