James Ramsay and Ann Low, Catholics brick wall

[wivenhoe]

"James was certainly Catholic, from County Tyrone, Ireland"

The marriage certificate, 1865, gives Tyrone as location for father James MacDONALD. 

What is your reference for James MacDONALD, married 1865, Church of Scotland, to be Catholic?

[History Lives]

"James was certainly Catholic, from County Tyrone, Ireland"

The marriage certificate, 1865, gives Tyrone as location for father James MacDONALD. 

What is your reference for James MacDONALD, married 1865, Church of Scotland, to be Catholic?

His daughter Ann MacDonald went on to marry James Salmond in a Catholic marriage. Since I haven't found any Salmonds during my research outside of the Church of Scotland I have assumed the Catholic side were the MacDonald's from Ireland and/or Ramsay's  Unless of course Ann MacDonald herself converted but I thought that was unlikely.

[wivenhoe]

You are considering the possibility that? -

Ann RAMSAY     marr.  James MacDONALD  1865  (ps. James RAMSAY / Ann LOW)
William BLACK  marr.   Mary Ann THOMSON 1870 (ps. William BLACK / Ann LOW)...both deceased

Ann LOW, same woman,  is mother to Ann and William  ie they are half siblings?

Is this your family?

Ancestry Census Scotland 1871   at 1 Church St Arbroath Angus
MACDONALD James        38y    masons labourer   b. Ireland
MACDONALD Ann            28y                              b. Peterhead Fife
MACDONALD Margaret      4y                               b. St Vigeans  Forfarshire
MACDONALD James          3y                               b. Arbroath
MACDONALD William        6mts                            b. Arbroath

Ancestry Census Scotland 1881   at 21 Smithy Croft Arbroath Angus
McDONALD James            48y   general lab.         b. Ireland
McDONALD Ann                40y                            b. Pathhead Fifeshire
McDONALD Mary               14y  millworker           b. Arbroath Forfarshire
McDONALD James             13y  ropemaker app.   b. Arbroath Forfarshire
McDONALD William           10y   scholar               b. Arbroath Forfarshire
McDONALD John                 7y   scholar               b. Arbroath Forfarshire
McDONALD Helen               5y                            b. Arbroath Forfarshire
McDONALD Peter                3y                            b. Arbroath Forfarshire

second household at same address

KING Peter                      68y  scavenger            b. Ireland
KING Margaret                 27y  dau  spinner        b. Arbroath Forfarshire

[History Lives]

I'm revisiting this part of my family tree after coming back from Dundee, wondering if I can fill in another gap or two.

I'm still missing the 1891 census for daughter Ann MacDonald, wife of James MacDonald who died in 1883 and also her death record.

I know she was living as of the 1901 census, with only one daughter Margaret in Arbroath, and was still alive as of Margaret's marriage in 1908. She appears to be living on the same street as Margaret in 1911 also (North Street Dundee) but had died by 1922 when Margaret married a second time. I have eliminated several death records as not her.

If the older Ann was illegitimate, then perhaps I should be looking for deaths under the name Ann Low rather than Ann Ramsay? I really don't know!

[Forfarian]

have you eliminated this one? If the informant got the mother's maiden name wrong, it could be her. Age is consistent with the 1871 census.

[History Lives]

have you eliminated this one? If the informant got the mother's maiden name wrong, it could be her. Age is consistent with the 1871 census.

Hmm...

Good spot, yes it appears to be, the occupation is jute preparer which is consistent and the witness to the death is her daughter Ann Salmond, my great great grandmother. She is also listed as widow of James MacDonald, all good there

However, her parents names are different. They are listed as William Ramsay and Ann Yule. So did Ann Low go on to marry a Yule and is William Ramsay simply just a mix up of names?

[Forfarian]

Well, if everything else fits it probably is her. Ann Macdonald or Salmond wouldn't be the first person to get her grandparents' names wrong.

Are there any other records of a Ramsay/Yule couple? Could they be Anne Macdonald or Salmond's great-grandparents?

[History Lives]

Well, if everything else fits it probably is her. Ann Macdonald or Salmond wouldn't be the first person to get her grandparents' names wrong.

Are there any other records of a Ramsay/Yule couple? Could they be Anne Macdonald or Salmond's great-grandparents?

Helen Yule and William Ramsay married in Dysart in 1837, William may have been the brother to James Ramsay but not sure...