Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897

[hepburn]

I've been trying to follow this thread....Has anyone found Louisa in the 1891 census?

[heywood]

I've been trying to follow this thread....Has anyone found Louisa in the 1891 census?

I don’t  think so. Nor has Thomas been found in 1901/1911.
There is no confirmation that Thomas, born in the workhouse, is the right one either.
I think this is right.
He gave his mother as Louisa Harris and his father as Thomas Graham on records.
With regard to the baptism and birth discussed here, I have looked again at his military record.

A Duplicate Record of Service for the army gives his age as 24 yrs 5 months and it is dated ‘I approve the acceptance of the above named man’ on 11.11.1916.
(I don’t know if the wording makes a difference as the above is written over ‘I approve the enrolment).
Another page says called up 7.11.1916 and a letter from Thomas Graham says he joined the army in 1915.
An award sheet (1921) gives year of birth as 1892.
A further sheet re identity shows 1893.
Place of birth shows London.
I just say this to try to get a birth year.

I just wish we could get more reliable information and find him. 

[gtoal]

I've been trying to follow this thread....Has anyone found Louisa in the 1891 census?

We're currently looking at an Eliza Louisa Frisbee born in Australia (1860 or 1861), moved to England in her youth with her family (present in Eton in 1881 census), married Alfred Charles Harris, a carpenter, in St Pancras Chapel on 11 Oct 1883, moved back to Australia (Melbourne, Vic.) in 1914 and died there in 1919.  There are enough coincidences for this to be plausible but one item arguing strongly against it - birth of a daughter in 1891, although that date is not yet confirmed.  I don't have high confidence in this match but there's enough here to be worth checking deeper.

(I did find 3 people with a small (<1%) shared DNA link to me, in the same family whose common ancestors include a Frisbee but if that is the conection, the shared ancestor would have to be from the early 1700's, from before their earliest Frisbee ancestor emigrated to the USA.)

[heywood]

Thanks  for the update.

[Dundee]

Alfred and Eliza went to Australia soon after marrying.  Children born in Victoria - John Charles (1884), Henry William (1887), Jessie (1891).

https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/

Debra 

[gtoal]

Alfred and Eliza went to Australia soon after marrying.  Children born in Victoria - John Charles (1884), Henry William (1887), Jessie (1891).

https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/

Debra 

Thank you.  That does look like a fairly definitive 'no'.

[heywood]

(I did find 3 people with a small (<1%) shared DNA link to me, in the same family whose common ancestors include a Frisbee but if that is the conection, the shared ancestor would have to be from the early 1700's, from before their earliest Frisbee ancestor emigrated to the USA.)


Have you managed to get any further in identifying DNA matches on your mothers side that could be helpful?

[jimbo50]

I can only find Pancras workhouse at 4 Kings Road, so could 111, Kings Cross Rd be her actual place of work ? Any census info ?

[hepburn]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QCJZ-Z6Z

Just a thought!