Author Topic: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897  (Read 5251 times)

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Wallyford is half a mile up the hill from Musselburgh - certainly a place that someone from Musselburgh would consider looking for housing in.

I wonder who lived at that address in 1919?
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The records for Louisa Spiller Harris don’t match the record for Thomas Harris born St Pancras with mother Louisa. :-\
I think you can discount that lady.
That's not the person I'm looking at.  It was Spickett, not Spiller. Although one record does have it spelled as Spickelt but that one is likely a handwriting issue.

I'll attach as many of the pointers to documentation as I can in this post and will add the rest to my next reply.
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The remaining hints:
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I do apologise - sorry.
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Nothing to apologise for.

It looks like that Spickett lead - despite a good match of dates and names - must be a dead end, as I contacted the great granddaughter of Louisa Ellen Spickett's father (through her brother George) and we've both taken Ancestry DNA tests but neither of us show up in the other's matches. I have to take that as definitive, and start looking for Louisa Harris again elsewhere.
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There is then an address 30 Forth View, Wallyford, Midlothian which might be Musselburgh?


The 1915 Valuation Rolls show an Alexander Fleming as tenant at this address. 1920 has a David Marr as tenant.


The address on there is the address, 23 Saughton Hall, Murrayfield, Edinburgh. - 1919


There are no numbers showing for Saughton Hall on the VRs around then. The owner of Saughton Hall in those years was Sir William James Gardiner Baird, 8th Baronet (1854–1921).

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I am not sure what you are looking for here. Do you think this is a different Louisa than the St Pancras one and therefore a different possibility for your Thomas?
 
Alfred and Louisa, with Mary and Charlotte are at 1901 743 /5 /1
They are also in 1911.

*you have answered this whilst I was writing my reply.  :)

You mention a tree in your earlier post where there is a child added:
Charles Sydney Herbert Harris b 1889 Woolwich. His mothers name was Spiller which is where I got my information re Harris/Spiller.

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Thanks Monica  :)
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Thomas was working as butler to the Duke of Atholl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart-Murray,_8th_Duke_of_Atholl

He showed as married with no children. Birth place given as Essex London.

Thanks - we now have that entry from the 1921 census. It's interesting that my grandmother wasn't listed in the same house as they'd been married in 1920. Maybe she was out of town on Census day.

Age 28 and 9 months on Census Day 19 Jun 1921 suggests that Thomas Graham believed his birthdate to be around September 1892?
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There is a Military Card for that Thomas;
Name:   Thomas Graham
Gender:   Male
Rank:   Gnr
Record Type:   Disability
Birth Date:   1893
Residence Place:Stoneyhill Cottages Musselburgh
Discharge Date:   15 Dec 1919
Service Number:   126706
Corps, Regiment or Unit:   Royal Garrison Artillery
Service Branch:   Military (Army)

I note 1893 as yet another contender for birth year.  It looks to me like he wasn't sure himself of the date.

Trish, can you show me where to find this Military Card please, so we can link it as a source in our web page for Thomas?

thanks,

Graham
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