Origins of McCabe family

[Daltonator86]

Hello! This concerns the details of my great-grandfather, Patrick McCabe, who was born in 1832-33 in Carricmacross. No doubt, as a result of the famine, by the 1851 he was in Liverpool, albeit he was in the army. Taking into account his military leanings, I wouldn't mind knowing whether he was a Catholic or Protestant. If he was Presbyterian, then surely that would mean the McCabe family (in my case) originates in Scotland....

[HistoricalGenealogy]

I apologize for any confusion. However, without specific details about Patrick McCabe, such as his wife's name, the names of his children, his death date, or immigration status, it becomes challenging to provide his Parents. If you could provide more specific information I’d be happy to research for his parents.

[Elwyn Soutter]

Looking at the 1901 census of Co Monaghan, there were 1119 people named McCabe. 10 were Presbyterian, the remainder nearly all Roman Catholic.  So statistically the family seem likely to have been Catholic.

MacLysaght’s “The Surnames of Ireland” says of McCabe: “A galloglass family with the O’Reillys and the O’Rourkes which became a recognised sept. Woulfe suggests caba – “cape”, a surname of the nickname type as the derivation. Having regard to their origin it is more likely to be from a non-Gaelic personal name.”

Galloglass were mercenaries brought from the Scottish Western Isles and elsewhere in the 13th to 16th centuries to fight on behalf of various Irish tribes (who were in regular dispute with each other). In return for their fighting skills they were given some land. At the time they arrived in Ireland, Presbyterianism hadn’t been invented (c 1550) and so they’d have been Catholic. The 10 Presbyterian McCabes in the 1901 census are either Scots who arrived in the later migrations of the 1600s or Catholic families who switched denomination, possible as a result of mixed denomination marriages.

Tens of thousands of Irish Catholics joined the British army over the years. I wouldn’t leap to any conclusions about the family being Presbyterian just because Patrick was in the army.

[rosie17]

My maiden name is McCabe and we were all Church of Scotland .Our McCabe line originates from Dunnottar Stonehaven and Aberdeen .

Rosie

[aghadowey]

Don't assume that Patrick McCabe left Ireland because of the Famine. Some areas were affected more than others and there are many reasons he could have left Ireland not the least being joining the Army.
Did Patrick McCabe marry? if so, does marriage record list his father's name and occupation (as in Irish, English & Welsh certificates)?

[heywood]

Are there any relevant details in his military record?

[HistoricalGenealogy]

Here’s the 1851 England & Wales Census:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sdh/

Here’s a possibility for him in the 1841 England and Wales Census:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sdg/

If that is him in the 1841 Census, his parents are Laurence & Ann McCabe. I am not sure because you did not provide enough information.

…without specific details about Patrick McCabe, such as his wife's name, the names of his children, his death date, or immigration status, it becomes challenging to provide his Parents...

As I mentioned earlier, could you please provide us some information such as his wife's name, the names of his children, his death date, and other information which could help us determine if this is him or not.

*edit 1

Also, if you try looking for his Birth Record in Carricmacross (County Monaghan), you will not be able to find it as records did not exist or were destroyed.

*Edit 2

There’s a duplicate post from last year:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841654

And another…

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841653

You know his father, John. Why didn’t you tell us??? You also got replies that answer everything basically!


*Edit 3

You found Patrick’s Grandmother Relative, Ann Brawl. Because of that, you made another post?!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842716

[Daltonator86]

Here’s the 1851 England & Wales Census:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sdh/

Here’s a possibility for him in the 1841 England and Wales Census:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sdg/

If that is him in the 1841 Census, his parents are Laurence & Ann McCabe. I am not sure because you did not provide enough information.

…without specific details about Patrick McCabe, such as his wife's name, the names of his children, his death date, or immigration status, it becomes challenging to provide his Parents...

As I mentioned earlier, could you please provide us some information such as his wife's name, the names of his children, his death date, and other information which could help us determine if this is him or not.

*edit 1

Also, if you try looking for his Birth Record in Carricmacross (County Monaghan), you will not be able to find it as records did not exist or were destroyed.

*Edit 2

There’s a duplicate post from last year:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841654

And another…

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841653

You know his father, John. Why didn’t you tell us??? You also got replies that answer everything basically!


*Edit 3

You found Patrick’s Grandmother Relative, Ann Brawl. Because of that, you made another post?!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842716

Hello, I am sorry... I actually forgot I had even made that post. I am an idiot. I appreciate your perspective 100%.

[Daltonator86]

Are there any relevant details in his military record?

For the record, is it possible to delete threads once one has concluded a mystery?