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Offline doric

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Totally Lost and confused
« on: Sunday 11 June 23 20:19 BST (UK) »
I am really needing some help, my mind is addled and I have hit a big brick wall.  I agreed to help my daughter-in-law to do some research on her father's family of which she has only limited knowledge.
I am currently trying to find information on her father's sister ELLEN FINLAY born Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne, England in 1911.  The only information my daughter-in-law has that in 1934 ELLEN married EDWARD SMURTHWAITE born in 1912 (birthplace unknown) at Newcastle-upon-Tyne and in 1935 they had a son JOHN EDWIN SMURTHWAITE.  In 1939 the family appear on the Census in Newcastle.  My daughter-in-law is certain she remembers her Aunt emigrating to Australia when she was a child, she was born 1965.  I have checked passenger lists but the only thing I have come up with is a record for JOHN EDWIN SMURTHWAITE going to America and then ending up in Australia.  No evidence of a death in England for Ellen, but there is info available for an ELLEN
SMURTHWAITE who is buried in Hindmarsh Cemetery in South Australia.  Furthermore I have checked for EDWARD SMURTHWAITE in Australia but drawn a blank there also.  On checking deaths for him in England find that his death is registered in 1991 and took place at Tynemouth, Northumberland.  This has got me going around in circles now and hope other eyes might get me on the right track again.


Would be most appreciative of any help I can get.

Many thanks,

Doric
Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 June 23 21:12 BST (UK) »
A search at the National Archives of Australia will show you John's family immigrating to Australia in 1968. Names of living people cannot be mentioned here.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 June 23 22:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks Neale1961,  I live in England, can I access that on-line?

I understand we can't name living people, but the family in question are all deceased.
Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 June 23 22:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Neale1961,  I live in England, can I access that on-line?

I understand we can't name living people, but the family in question are all deceased.

Yes you can use the link above.


SMURTHWAITE Ellen - Departed United Kingdom per QF531 (Quantas flight) 29 December 1971
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=21519636&isAv=N

Cemetery record
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215283433/ellen-smurthwaite
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 June 23 23:22 BST (UK) »
Wow,  Thanks a million Neale for that piece of information.  I was completely at a loss how to move forward with this.  I had looked at the passenger lists from England, but got nowhere.  Not being familiar with Australian records I felt deflated and defeated.  Thanks to you I now have a renewed incentive to go forward.  Again many thanks
Doric
Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 June 23 01:05 BST (UK) »
Hi have you noticed entries for a fellow who could be your John on the Ryerson Index
who died in South Australia May 2002 aged 67yrs.

https://ryersonindex.org/search.php

Also you could contact the SA State Library regarding a copy of notices.

https://guides.slsa.sa.gov.au/bdm/SAdeaths

have a look at the section on the Library page regarding the Saville Index

Cass

Ps also this site may help
https://genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 June 23 10:29 BST (UK) »
Hi CassT,

Thankyou so much for taking the time and trouble in helping me withmy request and supplying me with links to follow through.  I am not familiar with the Ryerson Index or indeed with research in Australia, so I am presuming I can access these from the UK.  I am so very grateful for all the help.

Again many many thanks.

Doric
Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds

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Re: Totally Lost and confused
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 July 23 13:07 BST (UK) »
Hello doric,

There's free newspaper searches in TROVE  in Australia. I found this, not happy news but perhaps fills in blanks:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/240819989?searchTerm=%22john%20smurthwaite%22
Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 July 23 13:13 BST (UK) »
Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON