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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08 June 23 01:22 BST (UK) »
Quote from: AllanUK on Wednesday 07 June 23 10:53 BST (UK)
As he was discharged on medical grounds, he would have been awarded a pension. A search has found that he was discharged due to a Gun Shot Wound, Left Leg. His pension card states that his disability had been classified as 20%, his initial pension was 27 shillings and 6 pence per week, payable from the 27th April 1918. At some stage, his pension dropped to 8 shillings per week. His card shows that he was living at 78 Eliza Street, Belfast.

Thanks Alan. Yes, I managed to extract that info from Fold 3 etc.  Just can't work out why all his army records are under the name Patrick Dougan, whereas all his personal records before and after his war time service were in the name Frederick James Dougan.  I was think that his confirmation name may have been 'Patrick' but would still wonder why the army would not be required to enlist him under his birth names.

Also, cannot locate any records of service in India.

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 June 23 07:55 BST (UK) »

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May I ask where you found this second Frederick James Dougan?

From IrishGenealogy.ie-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Born 26 August at 30 Combermere Street. Father John Dougan, a bottler. Mother Sarah Jane, MN Hawthorne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1888/1930003a.pdf

1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Combermear_Street/955049/


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 June 23 08:22 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 08 June 23 07:55 BST (UK)

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May I ask where you found this second Frederick James Dougan?

From IrishGenealogy.ie-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Born 26 August at 30 Combermere Street. Father John Dougan, a bottler. Mother Sarah Jane, MN Hawthorne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1888/1930003a.pdf

1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Combermear_Street/955049/

That's him.

There are Belfast newspaper reports (28/29 July 1955) of a 66 year old Frederick James Dougan (born c.1889), of Clifton Court, Belfast getting married. Wondered if might be "your" FJD or the other one?

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 June 23 08:41 BST (UK) »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Thursday 08 June 23 08:22 BST (UK)
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 08 June 23 07:55 BST (UK)

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May I ask where you found this second Frederick James Dougan?

From IrishGenealogy.ie-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Born 26 August at 30 Combermere Street. Father John Dougan, a bottler. Mother Sarah Jane, MN Hawthorne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1888/1930003a.pdf

1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Combermear_Street/955049/

That's him.

There are Belfast newspaper reports (28/29 July 1955) of a 66 year old Frederick James Dougan (born c.1889), of Clifton Court, Belfast getting married. Wondered if might be "your" FJD or the other one?

Thanks again.  Yes, I was actually aware of him.  He is a different person, although a few similarities, not the least being his name!    My fellow died in 1956.

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 June 23 08:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the update.

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 June 23 08:43 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 08 June 23 07:55 BST (UK)

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May I ask where you found this second Frederick James Dougan?

From IrishGenealogy.ie-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Born 26 August at 30 Combermere Street. Father John Dougan, a bottler. Mother Sarah Jane, MN Hawthorne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1888/1930003a.pdf

1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Combermear_Street/955049/


Thanks for that.  Yes, I was actually aware of him.  He is a different person, although a few similarities, not the least being his name!    My fellow died in 1956.

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 08 June 23 09:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: David Hutchinson on Thursday 08 June 23 08:43 BST (UK)
My fellow died in 1956.

Yes he did.
From GRONI Online - https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

Frederick Dougan   22nd October 1956        68     Male       Belfast

Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 08 June 23 14:05 BST (UK) »
Today, David Hutchinson said Interestingly, I also located a card which is stamped 'DEAD - 25/2/26'.  This is a bit confusing as I know for sure he died in 1956. -- The notation 'dead' means that the pension claim has ended. Typical misleading record keeping especially when keeping records for military personnel.

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Re: LOOKING FOR DIRECTION - WW1 SOLDIER
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 June 23 03:10 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 08 June 23 09:15 BST (UK)
Quote from: David Hutchinson on Thursday 08 June 23 08:43 BST (UK)
My fellow died in 1956.

Yes he did.
From GRONI Online - https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

Frederick Dougan   22nd October 1956        68     Male       Belfast



It took me ages to locate his death record as he was registered under the name of 'DoNgan' instead of 'DoUgan'.  I contacted GRONI and had them amend it, hence why you found it so quickly.  I searched high and low until I found it after trying many variations of his name!
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