Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?

[Tickettyboo]

Gosh, sorry if I've caused you to part with another £7, Boo.
Yes, do please let us know how you get on with it.
Good luck.
Jon

Oh Jon
Rather than never knowing I'd happily spend another £7. I HATE it when things don't add up

and, hand in the air, if blame is going to be apportioned I will put it onto either Mary or the  Registrar as I believe that if this pans out it 'should ', technically, have been an amendment to the original registration.

Will reserve judgement till the GRO provides the register entry for Felix HanlIn :-)
Boo

[Jon_ni]

This one #267 Joseph Henry Wetherall in Monaghan, Ireland caused me some confusion as says died Seventh (looks like Tenth) NOV 1930, registered 21 OCT 1930.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1930/04908/4331073.pdf

Headstone says died 5 Nov 1929 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-donagh-st-salvators/target34.html
Irish Probate Calendar: Administration of the Estate...date of death: 06 Nov 1929; date of grant: 08 Jan 1930 and that seems the correct date as that matches two different newspaper announcements too (died 6th, newspaper 7th, buried 8th) https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl/0000038/19291107/001

Appears headstone was erected after last interment of daughter Annie Clow who emigrated to Canada 1926 but returned to visit several times and died 'whilst on vacation'. Can only assume her Canadian children provided the info but every date, apart from Annie's, is wrong by a few days & her sister Evelyns by 2 weeks (died 11 Jul according to newspaper of 12th Jul vs headstone 24 Jul 1937).

So Joseph was buried in the chuchyard without the death being registered, Administration was granted without a death cert and the registrar made a typo on the year when it was eventually registered just two weeks shy of a year later (or maybe error is just in the quarterly copy and was not picked up during QC copy check by Supt Registrar) yet death was similarly certified by a doctor. How that all happened I have no idea as though post-partition basically all the rules were the same as before and England (there is no entry 1929), would have thought a cert was required for Admin to be granted but perhaps the Affirmation & Oath sufficed. Thinking about it there weren't any in Admin / Probate  packages I examined in PRONI last year for 1910, 1930's and 50's but was one in a 1983 Admin package I consulted several years back.

[coombs]

My uncle committed suicide in November 1988 and his GRO death entry is under Jan 1989. I think the inquest delayed the registration of death but he was buried about a week after he died.

[Jon_ni]

By the 1874 Act Deaths could be registered up to a year afterwards https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/37-38/88/crossheading/registration-of-deaths/enacted

13 Requisition by registrar of information concerning death from qualified informant

"Where any death has from the default of the persons required to give information concerning it not been registered, the registrar may, at any time after the expiration of fourteen days and within twelve months from the day of such death or from the finding of the dead body elsewhere than in a house, by notice in writing, require any person required by this Act to give information concerning such death to attend personally at the registrar's office..."

15. After the expiration of twelve months next after any death, or after the finding of any dead body elsewhere than in a house, that death shall not be registered, except with the written authority of the Registrar General.

"The Births and Deaths Registration Act of 1874 tightened obvious loopholes. The doctor looking after someone during their last illness was required to certify the cause of death. All doubtful cases had to be referred to the coroner.
However, burial could still take place before a death certificate had been issued."
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/death-dying/dying-and-death/registeringdeath/

Section 17 of 1874 Act: "The person who buries or performs any funeral or religious service for the burial of any dead body, as to which no order or certificate under this section is delivered to him, shall, within seven days after the burial, give notice thereof in writing to the registrar, and if he fail so to do shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding ten pounds.
Wording in the 1836 Act relating to burial was same as the 1874.

[AntonyMMM]

My uncle committed suicide in November 1988 and his GRO death entry is under Jan 1989. I think the inquest delayed the registration of death but he was buried about a week after he died.

A death which goes to inquest is always registered, by the coroner, after the inquest is concluded so can now be months, or even years, after the event. The burial/cremation can go ahead as soon as the coroner allows.

[Deirdre784]

I had a mystery with a child of my 3* great grandparents - her burial was on 11 April 1841, aged 2 months and 11 days, but i couldn't find a death registration. They had previously lost another baby, registered on the same date as her death. There was an entry in the Jul-Sep quarter, right name and reg district, so in the end i ordered that certificate, and it was the right child, death not registered until 2 July 1841, by an uncle, said to have been present at the death. Cause given as pneumonia, not certified by a doctor.

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks for all the further replies, just goes to show that though to each individual a puzzle  like this is rare, collectively its quite common.

Jon_ni thanks especially for the detailed info from the 1836 and 1874 Acts, I'd been looking at those but posting this will help others in future.

Boo

[Tickettyboo]

 I now have the pdf for the death registration of Felix Hanlin -  thanks to jonw65 who pointed out the GRO entry.

and it does seem to make sense in a way. The original had incorrect spelling for his surname and was registered the day after he died - by a John Hanlin/Hanlon who was possibly his brother.

Though there is no probate record its plausible that his widow had tried to claim maybe an insurance or something and officialdom didn't like the spelling variation so she went back to the Registrar. In theory he 'should' have altered the original and re-submitted it to the GRO. It does look like he started to (informant's name has been altered), then he seems to have given up and just made a new entry.

Thanks for the help,  I really get hung up on discrepancies and its good to see the detail of what happened. Definitely the same man, so his death can now be recorded in my tree with explanatory notes and both register entries.

Boo