Confirming the name of boy Trigg

[Ashnz]

Hello everyone,

This is about the confirming the name of a boy named Trigg. To provide the background of the boy, he died December 23rd, 1863 aged 6 weeks (born at sea November 11th, 1863) while in quarantine at Camp Bay, Lyttelton Harbour (he was a passenger on the ship Brothers’ Pride). He was a twin to his brother who had died and was buried at sea on the voyage to New Zealand. He was also the son of Absalom & Hannah (Anna) Trigg.

Nearly all references to the boy have him listed with no christian name, but I have found a family tree on ancestry that lists his name as William. I am usually skeptical of online family trees though the one I found seems very accurate in all other aspects of the family information. I, myself, can not make contact with the owner of the family tree as I can only access the tree via a library edition of Ancestry (I can not find any button or link to establish contact).

Here is the family tree:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/71307898/person/142040423642/story

Hopefully the link works. If anybody can contact the family tree's author and let me know if the posted name William is definitely correct that would be really wonderful.

Warmest regards,

Ashley

[maddys52]

You have probably seen all the items about the voyage that appear on paperspast. There is no mention of the children's names. The list of births and deaths on board do say:

"BIRTHS ...
Nov. 11, Hannah Trigg of twins, both males"

"DEATHS ...
Nov. 27, Hannah Trigg, 28 years ...
Dec. 6, Infant son of A. and H. Trigg, - no age given "

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18631210.2.3

This item from Fitzherbert DERMOTT, Surgeon:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18631229.2.11.1

[shume]

1870/16788   Trigg   William Bruce   mother Annie   father Absalon (sic)

From NZ historical birth indexes.

Perhaps William was a family name which they wanted to continue, after the ? first William died.
The births and deaths in quarantine are not included in this index.
If you go to Findagrave and search for Trigg, his 3 wives are listed and also 2 male children no names d 1863.
shume 

[Lucy2]

This is about the confirming the name of a boy named Trigg. To provide the background of the boy, he died December 23rd, 1863 aged 6 weeks (born at sea November 11th, 1863) while in quarantine at Camp Bay, Lyttelton Harbour (he was a passenger on the ship Brothers’ Pride).

You haven't said where you've got the information about the child's death (on 23 December 1863), from  ??

Can you please state the source of this information   

If you've been checking references using the resources* which have been supplied in your many other similar threads relating to immigrant ships / Camp Bay  -  (* e.g.  library edition Ancestry and FindMyPast), you'd have seen the births of these twins,  and also the death of one of the twins, were officially registered as "events which took place at sea, aboard "ship Brother's Pride" (+ dates) - with only the surname TRIGG and the parents names, recorded".    That is to say that the official records for these events, do not record the forenames of the twins.

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

1870/16788   Trigg   William Bruce   mother Annie   father Absalon (sic)

From NZ historical birth indexes.

Perhaps William was a family name which they wanted to continue, after the ? first William died.
The births and deaths in quarantine are not included in this index.
If you go to Findagrave and search for Trigg, his 3 wives are listed and also 2 male children no names d 1863.
shume

The findagrave record is not though, an official record.   And one should not be mislead by its contents.
The contributor of this information has not supplied any sources (and 4 of the persons listed, are not even buried at this particular cemetery ).     So along with published family trees (in whatever forum), this style of listing, should be treated with caution.

    ~  Lu   

[kinnigit]

Belinda Lansley's book on the "Brothers Pride & Bahia" in the "Ancestral Journeys of New Zealand" series mentions the Trigg family without naming the twins. Hannah Trigg gave birth to twin sons on 11 Nov, (page 45), Hannah died on 27 Nov 1863 and one infant son died on 6 Nov (page 47).  Also on p 47 "The newspapers failed to report the death  (at Camp Bay) of a 2 week old infant named Hathaway on 16 December .... a few days later it was Christmas Day and another 6 week old child died, named Trigg".

[Lucy2]

Ashley ... isn't "Belinda", (mentioned in previous post ), the same person to whose website you contribute information about the Camp Bay Burials 

I'd asked earlier (@ Reply # 3 ) as to where the information about the TRIGG twin's death on 23 December 1863, came from ... yes it's written in a book - but what is the original source  ??
(Although you've been back to this thread twice since that question was posed, you've not yet answered.   Disappointing ... we often ask questions here as a means of clarifying or finding additional information.   Reciprocity it always appreciated. )

See following post for answer to your topic subject.   >

    ~  Lu

Edit - correction to spelling :

[spades]

Kinnigit, thank you very much for reminding me about that series of books discussing various immigration voyages to New Zealand.

I recall one whose subject was the Gananoque but having just looked online I didn't realise there were nine titles in the series.

Thanks again,

Spades

[Lucy2]

Ashley ... at following link is a further list of those who travelled on the "Brother's Pride" to Canterbury in 1863.

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE39856575

>   see image # 2

This was a list prepared by ... or for, another NZ Government agency, and you will see it has annotations marked in blue ink.       
At Image # 2  part way down page, you'll find >

TRIGG
   -   Absalom  -  32 - M [= male] -  Gloucestershire -  Farm Labourer
   -   Anna  - 28 - F
and, writtten alongside, in blue ink >  +   Edward  Williams  :

So that means  " Edward > surname  WILLIAMS " 

And if you were to follow through this list, you'd find under "Single Men"  (Image# 7 ),
"WILLIAMS - Edward - no age given - Gloucester - Labourer " :

I would imagine though that most "researchers" would perhaps only refer to the passenger list they'd found at the FamilySearch website (NZ Passenger Lists ) ??

BUT if you'd viewed that FamilySearch list, it would have been even more apparent that this person named "Edward WILLIAMS" was bracketed as travelling with Absalom and Hannah (Anna)  TRIGG > and had been transferred for the duration of the journey, to the Single Men's quarters.   

["Edward WILLIAMS" was probably not associated with another WILLIAMS family who were aboard the ship - he may though have been a friend or relative of the TRIGG family ??    There were other couples on the voyage who were also shown to be "travelling" with young men with different surnames to their own.   Maybe they acted as temporary "guardians" to them  ??]

    ~  Lu                                                      see next > >