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Re: Dambusters 80th Anniversary
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 May 23 12:18 BST (UK) »
Another photo.
Carol

Know this photo!!  On the left hand side F/Sgt Jack Spark (W.Op) with his crew at 103 Sqdn before his last raid to Berlin.
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Re: Dambusters 80th Anniversary
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 May 23 22:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much Ad for your response and for naming one of the crew.
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Re: Dambusters 80th Anniversary
« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 July 23 12:59 BST (UK) »

Remembered with Honour.



Carol, Carol, Carol, Carol - I've kinda "hit the motherlode" on this one - Laughs !!!!

I've actually managed to "track down" the Identity, i.e, Serial number, Squadron, Squadron "Fuselage Codes" & some truly remarkable jaw-dropping history regarding THE actual B.Mk.1 Avro Lancaster that you kicked-off this thread with, hitherto "unidentified" (here).

First-off, worth mentioning that GORGEOUS photo' you kicked-off with isn't a 'Dambuster' Lancaster (they were specially modified for the 16th/17th May raid), but she is (just) a regular Mk.1 "Workhorse" & indeed, one that thankfully survived the war - but with some amazing links.

It all started after your kind reply regarding that Vickers Wellington Mk.Ic crew member, where we conversed & I got involved in your thread, with you being the O.P - (original poster)

Then, I caught THIS thread - Opening it up I just thought "Wow, that opening Lancaster is a Beauty"
Naturally, being a fan of Bomber Command (& AIRFIX kits since the 1960's), I saw the 'as yet' unidentified Lancaster & thought, "Just going by the nose-art alone, with my decent knowledge, I wonder IF we could track her identity down AND learn maybe just a bit more about 'her' - How many missions she flew, where 'she' was based, DID SHE SURVIVE THE WAR ?" etc, etc.

So I started out with "just this" - That truly fabulous photograph you posted.... below....

Which then led me to "this" link , https://www.lancaster-archive.com/lanc-noseart-v-z.htm

Sadly , still no identity had been found (by me, for this site) at this point
Take note, it's the 2nd column & 2nd Lancaster down....

Well, at least it said "Possibly 153 Sqdn Lancaster" - 153 Sqdn were NOT a well known unit, so...

I then found THIS.... below - Sadly this site will NOT let me link the photo's inside each text...

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Re: Dambusters 80th - Identity Found - NG.500 coded "P4-V"
« Reply #12 on: Friday 14 July 23 13:26 BST (UK) »
Remembering the Dambusters Raid today..

Carol


[Continued...]

It was then that I struck Gold & found the aircraft's true identity....

"Serial Number"  =  "NG.500"   -    Each serial specific, like a dataplate, or numberplate I.D

"Fuselage Squadron Codes"   =   "P4-V"  -  Note, these are the Dark Red Fuselage Code Letters

"Home Base Airfield"  =  October 1944 onwards  =   "RAF SCAMPTON"

I need hardly say about RAF Scampton being in the headline news over the last two months (June/July 2023) & dominating news headlines (outside the BBC Huw Edwards crisis)

Also, of course, despite countless dozens of other WW.II Avro Lancaster bases it could've flown from, it just happens to be RAF Scampton - Home of the specially formed "617" Squadron with it's hand-picked crews that WERE especially chosen for the 16th/17th May 1943 "Dambuster" raid.

So, it turns out that, despite not being one of the specially modified "Dambuster" a/c, it is & indeed WAS one of that famous base's aircraft & it finished it's career at Scampton, before being pensioned-off & sent to an M.U (Maintenance Unit) & then tragically scrapped in 1947

But what might interest you guys (reading this bit) next, is that we now KNOW the names of the crew that flew in her on their final tour (of 30 operations) before the E.T.O war finished**
     **(European Theatre, but not Japan - They were preparing "Tiger Force" instead)

I'll post the crew's names in my next post - Not being awkward, but it pertains to an AMAZING story !!

I'll also mention that 153 Sqdn's last & final mission, was to actually drop bombs on Adolf Hitler's very famous Alpine Home Retreat of "Berchtesgaden" on 21st April 1945.

Like I say, she ("NG.500" aka "P4-V") survived the war, only to be later scrapped, but her crew done something very 'dodgy' & highly against regulations....

The keen participant in the wrongdoing (against regulations) would later, as a very old lady, appear in a 1996 episode of the famous British T.V series "Surprise, Suprise" because of this....

I'll explain all in the next post....

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Re: Avro Lancaster NG.500 with Fuselage Codes "P4-V"
« Reply #13 on: Friday 14 July 23 14:14 BST (UK) »
Carol
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Finally we get to the astounding story involving THIS actual aircraft, "NG.500"  aka  "P4-V"

: “Assembled before Lancaster B.1 “Vicious Virgin”, NG500, P4-V, sometime after the ‘event’ and when the crew was tour expired.

 Back Row (L- R): Sgt “Junior” Al Hardiman (Flight Engineer); WO “Granny” Jim Vollans (Bomb Aimer); F/Sgt George Woolmer (Rear Gunner); member of Ground Staff; F/O Bob Purves (Aircraft Captain); WAAF Iris Price; F/O Tommy Burke (Navigator); F/Sgt Jim Storey (Wireless Operator); Sgt Jack Crowther (Mid-Upper Gunner); Station Medical Officer; F/Sgt in charge of maintenance.

 Story of this photo'  =   “The Only WAAF To Go On A Wartime Bombing Raid”

 Note WAAF  Iris Price , sixth from left in the top row - Bomb Aimer WO “Granny” Jim Vollans said:

“The pilot of my second crew, F/O Bob Purves RCAF, was dating Iris Price, a WAAF (Women’s Auxiliary Air Force) while at the operational air base at Scampton.

One night while they were on a date, Purves dared her to fly on a combat operation; she accepted the dare, saying if he would provide her with the proper flying equipment, she would go. (Gulp !)
So the next night operation, we were on. Purves secured the necessary flying equipment and placed it in the aircraft for Iris to put on before we took off for this mission to the Ruhr.

The mission date was the 13 March 1945 and the target was the synthetic oil plant at Gelsenkirchen in the Ruhr.

Once on, she promptly donned the flying gear, chute and harness, ready for takeoff. On the way to the target there were a lot of searchlights and flak. At this stage she began feeling ill. We arrived over the target, the bombs were dropped and we turned for home, mission accomplished. She began to feel better. Then something happened we hadn’t prepared for: she had to relieve herself.

Purves gave her a paper bag we carried for air sickness and she went back in the fuselage. After some time passed, Purves, as he could not leave his station himself, sent the Flight Engineer to see why she was taking so long. He found her lying on the floor, anoxic from lack of oxygen. Her supply hose had become disconnected while she was struggling to partly undress and dress again as, in those days, flying clothes were not made to accommodate women. He immediately gave her oxygen from a tank he had with him and she gradually came around, but not completely, as the tow gunners had to help her off the plane and into the crew bus which was being driven by her friend who kept the secret.....
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Re: Vicious Virgin - Avro Lancaster NG500 - Fuselage Codes "P4-V"
« Reply #14 on: Friday 14 July 23 14:21 BST (UK) »
Remembered with Honour.
Carol
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The incident was forgotten until many years later when Doris Davies, the crew truck driver who had covered for Iris and was in on the secret, brought it to light again in 1996.

She approached Cilla Black, the host of Surprise, Surprise (a British light television program), with the story. She was interested in including the story on one of her programs. Iris was contacted in New Zealand, and myself in London, to appear on her program in London England.”

Iris Price: “I can remember Bob daring me to go on a mission with him, so being the daredevil that I was in those days I agreed. It was a night operation which made the plan easy to achieve. A friend stood in for me while I was gone. This night I boarded the “Vicious Virgin”. Bob got me a helmet, mask, parachute and harness. I was in my Battle Dress...normal MT garb. We took off for Germany, via France and Belgium. There were a lot of searchlights and some flak. At this stage I was feeling sick. We arrived over the target, the bombs were dropped and we turned for home. Mission accomplished, I calmed down a bit. Then it happened. I wanted to relieve myself.

This I managed to do, eventually, into a bag which was disposed of down the flare-chute. However In the process of partly undressing and struggling to dress again I lost my oxygen supply and became anoxic. Fortunately the crew were checking on me and brought me to, but the feeling of sickness returned. The next day I reported to S.S.Q. (Station Sick Quarters) [the medical officer] put my disposition down to a touch of flu and got two days off duty. At the time neither I nor the crew members dared to tell anyone. Goodness knows what the consequences would have been! The whole business was an experience that I will never forget.”

One of THE real sad things I found out (whilst doing some light research), is that poor old Doris Davies, one of 153's "Crew Bus Drivers" (taking 153's crews TO their respective Avro Lancasters) & who had also appeared on Cilla's famous "Surprise, Suprise" program, later sadly died of Tuberculosis   :'(

To be fair, she had a 'GOOD INNINGS' (lifespan wise) & done an important job for the crews.

Down the road from where I lived, another lady on yet another RAF Avro Lancaster base did precisely the same job as Doris did - It got back to me barely a fortnight AFTER she'd died, that she'd been both mentally & emotionally "carved up" (the expression used), seeing "Night after Night" = ALL the boys of exactly the same age as her, being dropped-off at dispersal pans, with their respective navigational aids & parachutes (& "lucky charms"), jumping out of HER large truck & saying an emotional "Good Luck", knowing that many she either saw, knew of, or dropped off, never came back or returned from their often highly dangerous missions, mainly due to "Flak", collisions, or German Luftwaffe Night-Fighters.

The guy who told me this said "She was still being affected by it, in the year 2000's onward..."

Jim "Granny" Vollens & Iris Price, the highly illegal 'Ruhr joyrider' both appeared too, on the April 1996 episode of Cilla Black's (& I.T.V's) "Surprise, Surprise" too.

Thankfully there ARE photographs of them - Both in 1945 and also in 1996

I'll include the all important shot of "NG.500" known as "P4-V" with both Iris & "P4-V's" full crew

BTW ;  WAAF Iris Price is under the faint Red mark !!

I'll also include the April 1996 - PDF file,

 Please Note - The PDF file pages you need are pages 8, 9 and 10

    https://www.warplane.com/documents/Flightlines-March-2018.pdf


Cheers,   "Hawny"

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Avro Lancaster B.1 “Vicious Virgin”, NG500, coded P4-V, sometime after the ‘event’

Back Row (L- R): Sgt “Junior” Al Hardiman (Flight Engineer); W/O “Granny” Jim Vollans (Bomb Aimer); F/Sgt George Woolmer (Rear Gunner); member of Ground Staff; F/O Bob Purves (Aircraft Captain);
WAAF Iris Price; F/O Tommy Burke (Navigator); F/Sgt Jim Storey (Wireless Operator); Sgt Jack Crowther (Mid-Upper Gunner); Station Medical Officer; F/Sgt in charge of maintenance

Front row are ALL part of 'NG500's maintenance flight crew, sadly, none are known, today**  :'(

     ( However, they ARE thankfully immortalised in this historic shot )
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Re: Dambusters 80th Anniversary
« Reply #15 on: Friday 21 July 23 14:57 BST (UK) »
What an interesting story, thanks so much for detailed and informative response. I hope it brings like minded people to this post and benefit from your knowledge.
Carol
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