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Who was the mother?
« on: Friday 12 May 23 19:21 BST (UK) »
I'm looking into the mother of ELIZABETH ONIONS (1847-1906),who was born in Birmingham.

Elizabeth appears in the 1871 census with her husband Charles Edward Roath in 1871. In 1881 and 1891 she lives with some of her children (as her husband was living with another woman). I've not found her in 1901, and she died in 1906.

I know from Elizabeth's marriage record (from 1868) that her father's name was SAMUEL ONIONS and his occupation was listed as 'servant'. According to GRO, Elizabeth's mother's maiden name was HUGHES.

When looking for Elizabeth prior to 1871, I found an Elizabeth Onions in the 1851 and 1861 census living with a PRISCILLA RICHARDS (listed as mother). If this is my Elizabeth, this would be plausible, as her father Samuel Onions had died in 1850.

I thought if this was my Elizabeth it could be possible that Priscilla re-married to JOHN RICHARDS. However, on the marriage Banns, Priscilla lists herself as Priscilla Onions - Spinster - and her father's name is listed and Samuel Onions (ivory turner). Therefore my theory seems to not hold water.

However, when looking at the children Priscilla had with John Richards, all on GRO are listed as having mother's maiden name HUGHES. Why then did Priscilla say her father was Samuel Onions on her marriage certificate?

I have a feeling this one will require a birth certificate for Elizabeth to confirm her mother's name, but is Priscilla plausible? I can find no marriage between Samuel Onions and Priscilla Hughes.

Warwickshire, Birmingham, Worcestershire, Shropshire, Bridgnorth.

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Re: Who was the mother?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 May 23 20:08 BST (UK) »
Recheck Priscilla's surname on the 1851 Census.-

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Re: Who was the mother?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 May 23 09:24 BST (UK) »
Ah yes. Sorry, in my haste I'd not spotted this. Still doesn't explain why Priscilla didn't give her father's name at time of new marriage to John  Richards. She had 'Samuel Onions' listed, but her maiden name was Hughes. Could it be she never knew her father? Or was perhaps trying to pass herself off as a spinster and not a widow?
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Re: Who was the mother?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 May 23 09:45 BST (UK) »
There was a second Onions birth mother Hughes, maybe related given the name. However no registration of marriage for those names?

ONIONS, ELIZABETH       HUGHES 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 328

ONIONS, SAMUEL       HUGHES 
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 389

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Re: Who was the mother?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 May 23 09:46 BST (UK) »
Yes I spotted this. Sadly Samuel also died not long after. So Priscilla lost both her husband and son in the same year.
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 May 23 09:55 BST (UK) »


   ONIONS, SAMUEL       36 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 244
   ONIONS, SAMUEL       0 
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 267

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Re: Who was the mother?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 May 23 09:58 BST (UK) »
Son Samuel was buried St Phillip's Birmingham 30 December 1850 aged 7 weeks son of Samuel and Priscilla address Moor Street.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 May 23 11:09 BST (UK) »
I wonder, Northfield became part of Birmingham in 1911.

Priscilla HUGHES   Born 1 Jun 1827   Baptism 29 Jul 1827   Worcestershire   Northfield : St Laurence : Parish Register Father forename   William Mother forename   Hannah

Person abode   Northfield
Father occupation   Nailor

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 May 23 11:27 BST (UK) »
Maybe not the above?

1881 - 10, Rose Terrace, Birmingham, Warwickshire

John   Richards   Head   Married   Male   57   1824   Stoker in tube works   -
Priscilla   Richards   Wife   Married   Female   60   1821   -   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Albert   Richards   Son   Single Male 16   1865   Wood turner   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Elizabeth   Noath Grand daughter      13   1868   Scholar   Birmingham, Warwickshire


RICHARDS, PRISCILLA       61 
GRO Reference: 1881  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 21

Burial Key Hill cemetery 28839 KH G 12

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