Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's

[Girl Guide]

Probably a con.  Stood in such a way to make it look as if he was a cripple.  Checking the census record to see if any mention of that would sort that out.

I've just had a quick look at a couple of the census records.  Nothing to indicate any kind of infirmity and in any case he wouldn't have got into the army if he had been a cripple.

[hanes teulu]

No - genuine!!
Description from 1 of the criminal registers
"sc(ar) crown of head; face pock-pitted; lost r(ight) foot below ankle and l(eft) leg amputated below knee; wears an artificial leg on r(ight)"

Born London 1875, height 5' 9", hair dk bn, eyes bn, occpn tailor

[softly softly]

Births Sep 1911 
BRAMS    Elizabeth    mmn Bliss    Pancras    1b   47

Births Sep 1912   
BRAMS    Gerald C    mmn Bliss    Islington    1b   460

1934 electoral reg at 287 Crickelwood Lane
Elizabeth Brams
Doris Brams
Elizabeth Brams jnr

1938 at same address

Gerald Brams
Elizabeth Brams
Doris Brams

Possible marriage of Violet Brams (taken from 1911 census)

Marriages Sep 1928 
Brams    Violet    Packham    Hendon    3a   975    
Packham    Walter H    Brams    Hendon    3a   975    

1939 Violet Packham with dob 23.10.1907

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Doris Brams possible marriage

Marriages Sep 1938 
Brams    Doris    Montague    Hendon    3a   2128   
Montague    Albert H    Brams    Hendon    3a   2128    


1939 Doris Montague dob 8.8.1906 at 287 Cricklewood Lane,
Also at the same address is Elizabeth Brams dob 19.2.1877--a widow

John

[softly softly]

What about Alice

John

[hanes teulu]

What about Alice

John

John - couldn't resist but you need to ask Roy Chubby Brown

regards
hanes

[Girl Guide]

Hanes - Just rechecked the transcript of his recruitment record.  It does mention scars+ but no more than that.

Eye colour is given as grey, hair is black, height is near enough the same 5ft 8.25 inc. and occupation is stated as Wardrobe dealer which I suppose could be another way of saying tailor.

How could he have got into the army with part of his leg missing??? even though he was using a false leg.

What was the date of the criminal record that you looked at?

[Jool]

Oldbaileyonline has a report of a trial from 3 March 1908 involving Charles Brams (age 32) and Henrietta Bliss (age 54).  Henrietta Bliss is mentioned as being the mother in law of Charles Brams.  Charles' brother in law, Thomas Bliss, is also mentioned.

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t19080303-48

johnhood - yes we have drifted away from Alice haven't we 
hanes teulu - 

[hanes teulu]

Alice's death index (Western Australia) has YoD 1934, Pemberton, age 37, mother/father unknown.
What's the source of "Steel/Steele" in the opening post?

Charles died 1936 (30 Dec?), Pemberton, age 40, father Charles, mother n/k.

From a newspaper report  he was buried 1 Jan 1936, having died in a swimming pool accident, leaving a 13 year old daughter.

 

[rachtravem]

You have all clarified so much, but am really wanting to find Alice???