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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:22 BST (UK) »
Charles Alfred Frederick BRAMS baptised 13 Oct 1895 in Islington
Father Charles and mother Emily Elizabeth
His birth is registered under the surname BLISS in 1895 Islington


His father was an habitual criminal and used a long list of aliases – including BLISS.
Added - Actually his mother also served time in prison, and had a long list of aliases.
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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the travel record.  Don't know why he doesn't appear on the Find My Past passenger list.

Someone seems to have transcribed his surname as Brains to his marriage to Evelyn in 1919.  Page number given as 876 but on Charles' record on free bmd it is 676.  However on checking the GRO page it is 876 for Charles.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:33 BST (UK) »
Re Neale's find:-

Birth Record from GRO

BLISS, CHARLES  ALFRED BRAMS    NORRIS 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 274

No Frederick but Brams instead.

Added:  As I suspected no marriage of a Bliss to a Norris.  Wonder if dad lived with various women but never married them?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:43 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Girl Guide on Wednesday 10 May 23 10:33 BST (UK)
..... Wonder if dad lived with various women but never married them?
He was constantly in and out of prison - I wonder that some of his "children" may not be biologically his.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:47 BST (UK) »
Sounds like he was a raffish bounder hopping from woman to woman.  One wonders what his birth surname was.  I haven't done any looking to find out.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 11:03 BST (UK) »
I think his birth surname was Bliss.

BLISS, CHARLES  JOHN     TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in OF CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 271

If I have the right couple, this appears to be their marriage record:-

Marriages Dec 1871
Bliss    Jesse        Clifton    6a   264   
Turner    Catherine        Clifton    6a   264

In 1881 the family are in Cardiff and still there in 1891.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 11:16 BST (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3473721/3473724/61/brams

The Cardiff court reports refer to Charles as "cripple" and he appeals to the court "to have pity on a poor cripple". Genuine or acon?
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