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Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« on: Monday 01 May 23 04:44 BST (UK) »
Hi there, could anyone assist me with a "persistently naughty" relative plse.  Timothy Patrick Murphy born in Wellington 1883 to Daniel and Johanna Murphy - was an AUSTRALIAN soldier in WW1 (I say that with tongue in cheek to some degree because it looks like he spent as much time in prison and/or waiting for court martials as he did in battles!). 

It appears he returned from war and also returned to Wellington NZ sometime thereafter. 

Then, naturally, he pops up in Wellington Prison in April 1932 writing to the military requesting they send him his war medals. I have no idea how long he was in prior to this or why, or for how long.

I have tried to locate him on the Police Gazettes and, oddly, PapersPast, but was unsuccessful for either which I don't understand.

I wonder if someone could assist in locating him in the Kiwi penal system for me plse. 

Thanks, as always,
Carol
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Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 May 23 05:33 BST (UK) »
Could he possibly be working at the Prison?

I see on the enlistment papers he didn’t use the Patrick.  (I don’t think I’ve ever read one that has so many “events”  :))

I was interested to see he wrote asking for them on the 4th April, they were sent registered post on the 11th and he signed the receipt on the 26th.  Pretty good service.

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 May 23 05:53 BST (UK) »
Lol, he's got one of the longest set of military records I've ever seen and they're pretty much him getting in trouble for one reason or another. He sure was entertaining to research!

His father made a point of disinheriting him as well!

Which, is why the thought he might be employed by the prison floated through my brain cells for a second before I punted it as being highly improbable.

But he's definitely writing from the prison. I think if he just worked there he'd have the medals sent to his home.

I'm also curious about why his sudden interest in having them...they probably weren't worth anything value wise.
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 May 23 06:04 BST (UK) »
It does seem weird there is nothing in the papers though.
Could he have had an alias?

(He only got the Victory medal didn’t he. It might be the discharge papers that were more important. Although I can’t think why. a pension of some sort?

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 May 23 06:10 BST (UK) »
No, I Think he got all 3 of the medals. But I'll have to confirm that.

An alias is possible I guess. He may have been trying to avoid contact with his father...they had a fractious relationship by the looks of it.

I wonder if there's a way to go through the prison records by date only?
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 May 23 06:18 BST (UK) »
A side note...which Downes in London are you interested in? I saw the name listed in your posts...
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 May 23 06:27 BST (UK) »
Thomas William Downes bapt 7 May 1786 st James, Clerkenwell. son of John Downes & Elizabeth Wildbore

He married 1,  Susan Boyce and had 10 children
Then 2 Sarah Rebecca Gregory and had another 9 children.
This second family (mostly) came to NZ where Thomas died in Picton 1866.

My friend whose tree I work on is a descendant of Emily Louisa Downes. 1845-1918

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Re: Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 May 23 07:47 BST (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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