Need help reading journal

[sparrett]

Transcribed with one queation mark.

28th Sunday.  A man of the name Cox who had been gradually ..wasting (?).. since we left England died this afternoon about three in a hopeless state , he would not hear a word of religion ; his body was committed to the deep in less than three hours after .  He leaves a widow and three children the eldest a girl of seventeen.

Sue

[sparrett]

Re your query reply #8, I do not think the name is a badly  written POOLE.
It looks like  POORE to me , in accordance with the passenger list which shows..

POORE, Mr W H         
Mary.         
Henry.

Sue

[Ashnz]

Re your query reply #8, I do not think the name is a badly  written POOLE.
It looks like  POORE to me , in accordance with the passenger list which shows..

POORE, Mr W H         
Mary.         
Henry.

Sue

Thanks Sue - the problem with the Poore family is he (William Henry Poore) was born is 1800 and his wife Mary (Mary Ann Teagle) was born in 1806 - he baby was one month old so must have been born on board the ship.

[sparrett]

I think you have looked at a tree online which has given you that information.

I would query it accuracy.

If Mary was born in 1806, she would be 58 in 1864 when she supposedly had a 1 month infant.

Unusual age to have a baby.

This marriage in Kent may be worth looking at
Named on same page-

Marriages Sep 1862   
Downs, Mary Ann Margaret        
Poore, William
Sheppey    2a/1008   
 
Sue

[spades]

Hi everyone,

I have found the original passenger list for the 1864 sailing of the British Empire, and no passenger named John TINDALL appears on it that I can see.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1S3-LFC?i=2&cc=1609792

The journal linked to in the original post does clearly read TINDALL, as does the article which appeared in The Lyttelton Times newspaper of 8 September 1864 (page which list births and deaths on the British Empire's voyage. This gives John TINDALL's age as 30.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sac/

Conflicting with this is Ashley's reply#8 above which provides a cropped image listing the name of John TINDALL (presumably aged 47), from Scarbro'.
 
If anyone would like to scroll through the entire passenger list (I've done it already but I can't see him - an independent look would be helpful) please go for it.

Should we instead look for a male passenger aged 47 as a candidate?

Yours in confusion,

Spades

[Lucy2]

I found this record of deaths for the ship. Could the surname of Poole be a mispelling of Poore?

Ashley ... your reply No. 8
Not able to pick up and copy the "cropped" link you posted there re: TINDALL and POORE ... but do want to comment on it.

I see it's copied from FindMyPast (Deaths of Passengers at Sea) ... but it's only part of the list of deaths on the 1864 voyage to NZ of the "British Empire" .   [ In cropping the image, there are two other passengers you've omitted from that list - namely Richard Clark PEPPERILL (d. 31/8/64)  and Mrs Shipp ?? or FISHER d. of old age on 2/9/64 :    Presumably you have already sorted these out.  ]

So, the record for POORE only describes an infant of unknown sex :  The child of M.A. POORE (spr -- which translates as "spinster") -- died 6 September 1864.   (Have added this info to your new thread of today).
TINDALL - John - 47 years of Scarboro [Yorkshire]   [You can find him possibly on UK census 1841 with father - haven't looked further ].

I would accept these records from FindMyPast as being "official" death entries -  with the information provided by the captain or other person of ship "British Empire".    Remember that we cannot always find records for these emigrant ships which give any great detail of those passengers aboard who had paid their own way to NZ.    [i.e. Saloon / first / 2nd class or whatever. ]  The passenger lists we are lucky enough to have access to, focus on passengers who were part of the immigration schemes set in place by the provincial governments of the day.

*   Can I ask you please, to in future, quote the sources of information such as this.     It just wastes so much searching time having to re-check or locate these unnamed references.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Link to other (related) thread -- of 10 May '23

Seeking parents of child -- surname POORE

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872832.msg7442848#msg7442848