SULLIVAN - Sacramental Records St Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland

[chrisos]

Hi
I am currently researching a family by the name of Sullivan in Auckland, in particular Mortimer Sullivan and his wife Catherine Hanlon who arrived from Co Kerry in 1875 on the "Ocean Mail".  Their last 2 children, Margaret and Edward Mortimer were born in New Zealand and the family were known to live in the Mt Albert area of Auckland.  For various reasons I believe that Mortimer may have had siblings in New Zealand who had already emigrated and I am trying to find a link between the families to prove my theory. 

I have obtained Mortimer Sullivan's death cert which unfortunately does not provide his father's name.    My next step is to consult the Sacramental Records for Baptisms for St Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland in the hope that sponsors' names may provide a clue.  Margaret was born in 1877 (I do not have an exact date) and Edward Mortimer was born 23 May 1880.

Would anyone be willing to look up these 2 baptisms on the St Patrick's Sacramental Records for me please.  From what I can see they are only available by consulting them in person in Auckland and I live in NSW, Aust.  Any help would be very welcome as I am in the process of writing a research paper on the Sullivans and would like to include Mortimer and his family in this if possible.

Regards
Chris O'Sullivan
Riverina, NSW

[trish1120]

If no one can do this for you try emailing St Patricks yourself.

I did this earlier this year;
info I provided to them;

I was just wondering if you could help me with my genealogical research of my Family Tree.
Do you have an Archivist in the Cathedral who may be able to help?

My Cummins Family had close ties to the Catholic Church and settled in Ararimu 1865.

I am trying to solve a mystery on my other line and have my Great Grandmother Mary Jane Purdys Marriage Notice in the paper 1894 where it is mentioned she is a Cousin of;

Father COSTELLO late of Auckland

Mary Janes Mother was a Costello

I have researched Father Costello and think he was Father Parrick Costello


The Cathedral Secretary passed the above onto the Diocesan Archives who provided me with info very quickly.

Trish

[chrisos]

Hi Trish
Many thanks for the excellent suggestion.  I have just sent an email via their web site.  Hopefully someone will get back to me as this is the last avenue I can explore.
Chris

[trish1120]

Good luck and I hope it works

[shanreagh]

Have you done any checking in Ireland?  So identifying siblings and then tracking them forward. 

The Irish had a naming pattern and this can be useful in tracking the families.

he Irish naming pattern is as follows:

1st son is named after the father’s father.
2nd son is named after the mother’s father.
3rd son is named after the father.
4th son is named after the father’s eldest brother.
 

1st daughter is named after the mother’s mother.
2nd daughter is named after the father’s mother.
3rd daughter is named after the mother.
4th daughter is named after the mother’s eldest sister.

What were the names and birth order of the children of this couple. 

I agree it is possible that siblings may have already arrived but do not overlook less closely related relatives and also that they may have gone to different parts of NZ.  I had relatives who I think were part of a wider family chain migration - cousins from the same village and they went to Timaru and my lot stayed in Auckland. 

This is a good website
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

ETA: I have seen some records are under the name of O'Sullivan and that Catherine Hanlon's name is some times recorded as Katherine.

[chrisos]

Hi
Thank you for replying so quickly.  Yes, I have trawled through the Sullivan BDMs for Kilgarvan on www.irishgenealogy.ie/en and have identified the correct Sullivan family with births/baptisms commencing from 1830 (I am finding the sponsor and witness names very useful). 

The reason I believe that Mortimer is connected to my NZ Sullivan family is because the male first names in both families are identical going back several generations and both families lived in the same area of Auckland.  I am also using DNA matches on Ancestry to help fill in unknown family connections, as well as trying to build up family structures using the 1826 Tithe Applotment Records and the 1847 Griffiths Valuation using confirmed townland locations.  I have even consulted the NZ Old Colonists Association Register but without any success. 

If anyone can suggest further records I can consult, I would be very grateful.
Regards
Chris
Gundagai, NSW

[Lucy2]

Hi Chris

Just for starters (I have some other information for you also, which I'll add shortly) ... on the passenger list for the "Ocean Mail" to Auckland 1875, information for the O'SULLIVAN* family group, shows that they were "Colonial-Nominated" emigrants to NZ.

The reference on the passenger list  reads  >
                         
O'SULLIVAN [Parents and 6 children - all named]
                                    Colonial - Nominated   -   AUCK.   -    815

Colonial-nominated (generally) refers to the fact that someone > usually a relative or friend already living in the Colony of New Zealand >  has made a part or full payment of the passage monies for a person or group.  (Sometimes a guarantee or provision of work, was also included for the emigrant/emigrants so nominated.)

Sorry, but I can't help with further information for >Colonial Nominations -  AUCK  815 . 
Hopefully someone here who is familiar with Auckland records, can point in the direction of where they can be found (archives / library etc. )   

Also, just pointing out that O'SULLIVAN is the name in which most New Zealand records for this family, appear.   [You may like to also include that spelling in your topic heading ?     ]

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[Lucy2]

In case these records, which you may not already have, are of use ?


Probate record (and Will) of Murty* O'SULLIVAN >
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE47729468

[ *Murty ... found this derivative of Mortimer's name, in an In Memoriam notice for his son.  "Murty" also appears on the Administration (Intestate) file of his wife Catherine (died 1927).    ]

Catherine O'SULLIVAN [ w/o "Murty"]   (d. 1927 - Intestate)  - Admin.  1929
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE65777917
    ... not much info - but does show she had a 1/3 share of Murty O'SULLIVAN's estate :

Catherine O'SULLIVAN - daughter  (a.k.a. Kate / Katie ) - died 1925 - Intestate - Admin. 1925
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE76674607
   
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[Lucy2]

Hi again Chris

Not sure if you have already viewed the burial records for "your" O'SULLIVAN family - at Waikaraka Cemetery, Auckland (NZ Cemetery Records 1800-2007 )  ?

The headstone inscriptions are available @ancestry.com website ... and there is also an entry showing headstone photo @billiongraves (NZ).

I noticed that directly underneath the transcribed details for O'SULLIVAN (includes Mortimer, children Daniel ... Edward (KIA - Somme, France) 1916 ... Katie  ... )  - there is a note stating (sep. headstone) which appears to be part of the  "O'SULLIVAN burials.

The separate headstone reads  >  " ILMO Daniel HEGARTY the d/b/s/o Jeremiah and Mary HEGARTY - died 28 September 1923.  Aged 65 years - Native of Kilgarvan, Co. Kerry, Ireland - RIP " :

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