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Census 1851 - occupation
« on: Tuesday 11 April 23 23:40 BST (UK) »
On census 1851
I have this occupation listed for one of the ancestor:
Captain Kenneth MacLennan-
Farmer of 3 acres and ship owner.

I wanted to know if at the time it was considered poor or wealthy. Also I am confused with the difference between crofter and farmer.
Thank you in advance

GILLIES (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MACDONALD  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MACDONALD (INV/../..);   
MACRAE (ROC/Duirinish, Lochalsh/..);   
MCKENZIE (ROC/Applecross (Milton)/..);   
MCLENNAN  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MCLEOD  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MOFFAT CUL/Alston, Penrith/..);
JONES (Menzies Ferry, NZ, Monmoutshire, Wales, Inglewood, Pleasant Creek, Australia)
McPike (Melbourne, Inglewood, Pleasant Creek, Derry)

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 06:56 BST (UK) »
You have not said where this person lived, how old they were in 1851, but if they owned a ship, then I would assume they were wealthy.
A ‘crofter’ was someone who rented and worked a small farm - not wealthy. A farmer may have rented or owned the land. 3 acres was not much. Sometimes people called themselves a farmer, when they were really an agricultural labourer.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 07:38 BST (UK) »
The person was living in Applecross and was 51 year old at 1851 census.
GILLIES (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MACDONALD  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MACDONALD (INV/../..);   
MACRAE (ROC/Duirinish, Lochalsh/..);   
MCKENZIE (ROC/Applecross (Milton)/..);   
MCLENNAN  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MCLEOD  (ROC/Applecross/..);   
MOFFAT CUL/Alston, Penrith/..);
JONES (Menzies Ferry, NZ, Monmoutshire, Wales, Inglewood, Pleasant Creek, Australia)
McPike (Melbourne, Inglewood, Pleasant Creek, Derry)

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:15 BST (UK) »
If I am looking at the right man (married to Isabella MacDonald) living in Applecross
In 1861 he was a crofter
In 1871 he was a fisherman
In 1881 he was a mariner in the mercantile service
In 1891 he was a crofter
He died in 1896 and is buried in Applecross Burial ground

I can’t see him in 1851 census.
Why do you think he was a ship owner?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:19 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure if he was a ship owner. This looks a little like Sheep to me. Maybe Neale might have a look.  Also, he was 47 on the 1851.

Gadget

Maybe he meant a boat - needed in Applecross.
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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:21 BST (UK) »
shop owner ?? sheep owner ??? not confident in either.

Or yes, as Gadget suggests, perhaps he had a fishing boat.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:23 BST (UK) »
I've just noticed that the next household entry is for a McGregor family - the wife (absent husband) is described as a 'wife of a farmer and ship owner'

I think it is likely it meant boat rather than ship.

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:23 BST (UK) »
I’m not sure where I have got this from, but I think that at that time people often owned a share in a ship, so it doesn’t necessarily imply wealth.

Shorter Oxford Dictionary:

shipowner a person owning, or having a share in, a ship or ships
Boyd, Dove, Blakey, Burdon

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Re: Census 1851 - occupation
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 08:25 BST (UK) »
Neighbour:

could the Gaelic for boat and ship be similar because there seem to be a lot of Ships in Applecross


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