The mysterious Murphy's of Cork: link to Australia in the goldrush era

[sparrett]

Was he was confused!?

WALSH James
Birth
Mother Mary MURPHY
Father WALSH James
At OVENS
Year 1843
36901/1843

Sue

[annemareeinerko]

Hi, Sue and Wivenhoe

Yeah, funny that the family traveled to Bathurst of all places, and James Jr was born in Sydney! Why Bathurst - that was prior to the gold rush???

James Walsh jr got married to Mary Collins at St Alipius, Ballarat 4th of January 1867, bachelor and spinster, his birthplace was Sydney and her birthplace was Galway, Ireland. He was a miner and she was a servant. Both were aged 22. The residence is hard to read but looks like his residence was recorded as Cobble () and she lived in Ballarat. His father was James Walsh (farmer) and his mother was Mary Murphy. Her father was John Collins (farmer) and her mother was Mary Hackett.

Wexflyer - Thanks for the heads up regarding the records in Cork. Re: "Have you tried DNA matching to increase confidence in identifying the location of origin?" My Irish ancestry can be traced to Fermanagh, Cavan, Meath, Kilkenny, Cork, Clare, and Galway.

[annemareeinerko]

Was he was confused!?

WALSH James
Birth
Mother Mary MURPHY
Father WALSH James
At OVENS
Year 1843
36901/1843

Sue

    

[wivenhoe]

I am not so concerned about the WALSH family starting out in Bathurst. But a child then  born in Sydney, and the family contunuing to regional Victoria makes the Sydney visit look odd.

What names do you see for witnesses at the 1867 marriage, James WALSH?

Usually, when a BDM event is recorded in one state, and references a location in another state, the record shows the name of the state   eg Bathurst NSW,   Sydney NSW.    So Bath seems a bit odd. Also Sydney , with no state.

Are you looking at a handwritten document or is it a transcription?

Where is the death record in the VIC BDM index for Mary Ann WALSH,5  deceased at 1867?

Does it mean that Mary Ann would have been five in 1867, or did she die at age 5?

There should be a death to find for Mary Ann WALSH/WALCH/WELSH  in Victoria, died 1860-1867?



 

[sparrett]

It has just dawned on me that Jeremiah and Robert were twins

I should have picked it up from the baptisms record. 
WALSH Jeremiah
Birth
Mother MaryUNKNOWN
Father WALSH James
OVENS RIVER
Yr 1848
3009/1848

WALSH Robert
Birth
Mother Mary UNKNOWN
Father  WALSH James
OVENS RIVER
Year 1848
3008/1848

Sue

ADDING
Looking at the baptism that is not the case.  There are different years. Wonder if one Jeremiah died and the baptismal record is for the next Jeremiah. Very confused.
 

[wivenhoe]

The baptsim record shows two different dates for birth. The BDM record shows 1848 as the year when the births were registered....sequentially.

[sparrett]

The baptsim record shows two different dates for birth. The BDM record shows 1848 as the year when the births were registered....sequentially.

Thanks wivenhoe, I just amended my above post to reflect error
Sue

[Wexflyer]

Wexflyer - The databases I use record parishes and not townlands in Ireland.

Yes, but the parishes are Catholic parishes, aren't they? By contrast, you stated that the birth/baptism you found was in Kilmurry **civil** parish. To know that, you would need to know a townland, wouldn't you?

Catholic parishes in general did not have the same area or borders as a civil parish of the same name, and usually incorporated multiple civil parishes.

To take Kilmurry as a specific example, the Catholic parish was comprised of four civil parishes, viz:
Cannaway, Kilbonane, Kilmurry, and Moviddy.

[Wexflyer]

A question for OP - you mention having used the www.IrishGenealogy.ie database. Have you checked the actual original records though, which are all available online (free)?
Transcripts can be incorrect, or miss details, and godparents were often relatives, etc.

Links for original records:

Mary, baptized 5 May, 1820, Kilmurry
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634439#page/48/mode/1up

Mary, baptized 21st December, 1817, Kilmurry
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634439#page/30/mode/1up

Mary baptized 1 February, 1817, Inniscarra
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634085#page/140/mode/1up
Note - Christian name of father is doubtful, but was transcribed as Jerm.
Also, twin, John, baptized at same time? The father is more clearly Jeremiah on this entry.