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Something that could help genology
« on: Wednesday 05 April 23 11:43 BST (UK) »
For those interested in WW2 and don't want to wait many years for public access. There's a UK Gov petition here to make them all public. I think you'd be interested in signing it.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/633129

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 12:00 BST (UK) »
"What interests the public is not always in the public interest!" 

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 12:04 BST (UK) »
I don't think while there are significant numbers of people who served in WWII still alive, it should happen yet.

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 12:28 BST (UK) »
I don't think while there are significant numbers of people who served in WWII still alive, it should happen yet.
 

I disagree, for many reasons. - 

We have a law, if we start making exceptions for one group with a special interest, then the precedent is set. It would be the thin end of the wedge. Privacy would be a thing of the past. Young people, both males and females, do things that they later regret. One mistake, that they then pay for, should not be held against them for the rest of their lives. 

If they were 18 in 1945, they would be 96 today - surely we can wait 4 years. 

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 12:45 BST (UK) »
Is there a restriction on them getting their own records now,  I have both my parents records which were obtained by my late mother a few years ago.

Ancestry have the contract for digitising these records, perhaps the problem now is that they are not readily available.  :-\
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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 13:31 BST (UK) »
I don't think while there are significant numbers of people who served in WWII still alive, it should happen yet.
 

I disagree, for many reasons. - 
Chas, I think you'll find that melba_schmelba was saying the same thing as you: "I don't think ... it should happen yet".

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 14:00 BST (UK) »
I don't think while there are significant numbers of people who served in WWII still alive, it should happen yet.
 

I disagree, for many reasons. - 
Chas, I think you'll find that melba_schmelba was saying the same thing as you: "I don't think ... it should happen yet".
 

You are probably quite right, Andy. I thought the "should" was a typo for "could".  Either way, I am disagreeing with Amy the OP. Laws are there for a reason. If we negate laws for good reasons, it won't be long before we negate them for bad reasons. 

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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 14:28 BST (UK) »
You're  entitled  by laws to see them if they fall outside  115 years birth  ( it's 115 years not a 100 years, so many will have to wait a lot longer than 4 years as suggested in a previous reply  (if their ancestor was only 18 years old.).
I've  applied for my grandfather's records from the TNA which have been recently moved  over to them ( his birth falls just  outside the 115 years ) . They have  given me an estimate price and I  waiting on another letter back for the final price from  them. ( I applied to the MOD, and they searched for me and informed me  where it could be found , file number , in the TNA)

I think I am more offended that ancestry has got the contract(?) . I didn't  know that.
Yuk!
There are living people on those records, children of the soldiers.
I am not too happy about that being published.  I hope they are going to redact
the children's  births  on the records .  It may be OK for England and Wales , but other countries such as N.Ireland  have stricter privacy  with publishing births online under 100 years.
My mother's  and her  siblings births aren't  online and their births can't  be searched for by any Tom Dick and Harry on the net , but yet if my  grandfather's  record was online,  they would be publishing my  living mother's  birth details . Why should people be able to track  her down? ( and I do have  an extremely  good reason for not wanting her name on the net, so that she can't be tracked down  - which I won't go into the details here)

 I  also know ( knew)my grandfather  only too well  , he certainly  would not have wanted his  records published on the net. He'd  be  absolutely mortified!
It is too soon, My grandfather spent his entire career in the army and only retired  from it in the early 1960s 
No thank you.
I won't be signing for countless  reasons, but mainly because  it  does actually affect the living.
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Re: Something that could help genology
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 April 23 14:43 BST (UK) »
You're  entitled  by laws to see them if they fall outside  115 years birth  ( it's 115 years not a 100 years, so many will have to wait a lot longer than 4 years as suggested in a previous reply  (if their ancestor was only 18 years old.).
I recently contacted TNA regarding a military record that was marked closed until 2045 and received the following reply:

"Individuals’ records remain closed for 100 years from their date of birth or until proof of death. In this case, there is no identifiable date of birth on the record, which is why the record is closed under the Freedom of Information Act for 100 years from the date the record was created"

I sent proof of death and received a copy of the file along with confirmation that "under the Freedom of Information Act the documents will be released and become a public record".
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