I'm looking into JOHN RICHMOND and ELLEN ROBINSON, both of Birmingham. John was born in c.1845 and Ellen was born in c.1850.
I have their marriage details as follows:
St Jude's Church - 31st August 1868
John Richmond - 22 - Bachelor - Brass Tube Solderer - Wharf Street (Father - Charles Richmond - labourer)
Ellen Robinson - 17 - Spinster - Navigation Street (Father - George Robinson - labourer)
Witnesses - Thomas Decley and Mary Robinson.
I have them both in the 1871 census as follows:
Fordrough Street, Birmingham (no house number given)
Charles Richmond - Head - Married - 75 - Locksmith - Warwick, Birmingham
Mary Richmond - Wife - Married - 76 - Warwick, Birmingham
John Richmond - Grandson - Married - 26 - Brass Tube solderer - Warwick, Birmingham
Ellen Richmond - Granddaughter - Married - 21 - Warwick, Birmingham
Charles Richmond - G Grandson - 1 - Warwick, Birmingham
In regards to John, I think I have also found him in 1861, living with Charles and Mary Richmond. However, in this census he is listed as 'son'. The occupation for him matches, but the birthplace, age and occupation of Charles Richmond is different. Those details are as follows:
Suffolk Street - 4 court, shop
Charles Richmond - Head - Married - 65 - Bird dealer - Staffordshire, Erdington
Mary A Richmond - Wife - Married - 50 - Laundress - Staffordshire, Erdington
John Richmond - Son - 17 - Unmarried - Brass Tube maker - Staffordshire, Erdington
If this John Richmond is the man I'm looking for, then he also appears with the same Charles and Mary Richmond in 1851 at the same address in Suffolk Street. Details as follows:
Suffolk Street, 4 court, shop
Charles Richmond - Head - 54 - Bird Dealer - Warwickshire, Birmingham
Mary Richmond - Wife - 45 - Pen header - Warwickshire, Erdington
John Richmond - Son - 6 - Warwickshire, Birmingham
Looking at the ages of Charles and Mary, is it likely that John was not their son, but their grandson, and this is first revealed in the 1871 census? In which case who ARE the children of Charles and Mary, and who could John's mother possibly have been?
There is a death for a John Richmond in 1872 (with birth date of 1845) in Birmingham which could be my John.
In regards to Ellen Robinson, so far I have only found her in the 1871 census with her husband. I have not found her in later or earlier census records. If John died in 1872, it is likely she could have remarried perhaps.
John and Ellen's son, Charles Henry Richmond is missing in 1881, but is found again in 1891 living as a boarder to the Gardner family, with his new wife Elizabeth (nee Underwood). I have not been able to find him in 1881 so far.
Any help with this couple would be greatly appreciated.
