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Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« on: Tuesday 28 March 23 08:50 BST (UK) »
I have been trying to interpret my father’s RAF service record (he was a Wireless Operator in the RAF), but there are some things I am having trouble with.

Here’s what I have to work with:

Jarron, Marr, Christie, Candy, Addison, Spence, Mitchell, Mollison, Calder, Duffus, Silver, Burness, Falconer

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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 08:52 BST (UK) »
And here’s where I have got to:

Recruited into RAFVR, Edinburgh 20 December 1941.  3RC - 3rd recruitment centre maybe?

10(S)RC- other than the RC probably standing for recruitment centre I have no idea what it means.

2 Signals School - would be the training undertaken at Blackpool from 2 July 1942

44 Mobile Unit, Edzell, as of 22 October 1942

Newbold Revel (RAF wireless training subsequent to his training in Blackpool) - from 19 May 1943

350 Signals Depot - was this the unit he was in while stationed at Newbold Revel?

1 Personnel Despatch Centre (Sup.) - I don’t know what the significance of “1” is, nor do I know what “Sup.” stands for, but this is obviously reference to his processing in preparation for posting to India.  The date given is 4 November 1943 and is followed by an entry “India Renamed SE Asia” with a movement date of 11 November 1943 and an arrival date of 16 November 1943. (Although arrival where, I don’t know, as it would have taken a lot longer than that to get to India).

Now here comes the interesting bit.  My father told me that while his ship was on its way to India, a couple of weeks or so after leaving the UK, it was torpedoed after it passed Malta, started to take water as a result of the damage sustained, and just managed to make it as far as Alexandria, where all the men who were travelling on her to India had to disembark and wait in Egypt for the next available boat to India.  From my father’s photograph album, I can tell that he spent Christmas in Egypt, although I don’t know how much longer he had to wait after that.  From what I can see, this means that the ship he left the UK on would have been the HMS Birmingham, as it is the only ship whose movements correspond with this version of events.  Any comments?

It appears that he arrived in India in January 1944, possibly the 22nd, judging from the entry on his card.  It would appear that the rather badly written entry under “Unit” indicates that his first posting in India was to Worli camp.

From 1 February to 3 August, 1944, he is shown as being attached to 385 (not sure if it is MU for Mobile Unit of WU for Wireless Unit, followed by a period of hospitalisation, first at 2 India General Hospital, then at Shillong followed by a Medical Field Hospital. I have no idea what this was for but it was for an exceptionally long period.  As far as I am aware, he had no war injuries at all, so I can only assume it was something like malaria or maybe dysentary, although I do remember him telling me once that he sent his mother into a panic when he wrote home to say he had gangrene…..

I have no idea what the entry for HD 164 S Wing, other than that I believe HD stands for Home Defence.

The entries for 368 WU and 376 WU tie in with some of the few things that my father told me about his war service - firstly that he had to learn Japanese Morse Code in addition to the standard Morse, and that the Japanese messages he intercepted were given to others to be interpreted.  It also fits in with his last posting being to Hong Kong.

His postings, roughly in chronological order (the order may not be 100% accurate), seem to have been Bombay, Kashmir, Calcutta, Bangalore, Rangoon, Singapore, Malaya and Hong Kong.

Also, the entry for Home Embarkation speaks for itself, but can anyone tell me what “Compan. Snds” means?
Jarron, Marr, Christie, Candy, Addison, Spence, Mitchell, Mollison, Calder, Duffus, Silver, Burness, Falconer

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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 09:07 BST (UK) »
10 (S) RC is No 10 (Scotland) Recruits Course
No 2 Signals School was at Yatesbury in Wiltshire
44 MU stands for Maintenance Unit (ie repair). Ditto 385 MU etc. Edzell was an aircraft storage unit, so possibly he was maintaining or installing radio equipment in the aircraft.
BMH Shillong is the British Military Hospital.
HQ (not HD)164 S[ignals] Wing was at Newbold Revel then India.
All the rest as per Wolseley's reply.

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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 09:23 BST (UK) »
368 and 367 Wireless Units were in Hong Kong, although I don't if this was the case in 1945


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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 09:29 BST (UK) »
“Compan. Snds”  is compassionate grounds.

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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 10:53 BST (UK) »
You should have been given a list of abbreviations by Cranwell along with the Service Record.

However units with a specific function had a prefix number to define the exact formation described.

eg RC is Recruit Centre - 3RC No.3 Recruit Centre 10(S)RC is No.10 (signals) Recruit Centre
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7160734

44MU - 44 Maintenance Unit (not Mobile Unit)
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4100712

368 Wireless Unit in India
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7159679

HD is HQ for Headquarters No.164 Signals Wing
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=air&_dss=range&_ro=any&_q=164+AND+signals+AND+wing

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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 10:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Andy.  Now that makes sense.  It must be “Compass. Gnds” and not “Compan. Snds”.  He had a sister who was a Sergeant in the WAAF and had been seriously ill for several months at that point and eventually passed away in August of 1946.
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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 March 23 11:04 BST (UK) »
Yes, Ross, I was given a list of common abbreviations with the record, but not everything used appears to be common, and the poor handwriting on the index card doesn't help.

Looking back, I can see that MU is Maintenance Unit and not Mobile Unit - a mistake on my part.  It would have been handy being posted to Edzell - my father came from Brechin, about eight miles down the road.......
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Re: Help needed in interpreting WWII RAF record
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 March 23 13:45 BST (UK) »
Well, the task of making sense of it all continues, but there is one other entry on the card (not included in the detail shown above) which I would like to find out more about.  It is a typewritten (thank heavens for that) note under the heading "Miscellaneous" which takes up three lines and reads as follows:

-  Med. cat grade 1 20.12.41
-  No. 16. ACSB F2171. 30.8.41
-  Not rec. for trng. in aircraft duties.

The first line is fairly self explanatory (the date is the date of his enlistment which is presumably when the medical examination was conducted).

I have no idea what the second line means.

But above all, I would like to know what led them to decide that he was not to be recommended for training in aircraft duties.  That decision probably saved his life, as fatalities among flight crews were very high and, had he been selected for air crew, then I may not be here today.  But what would have led them to make that decision?
Jarron, Marr, Christie, Candy, Addison, Spence, Mitchell, Mollison, Calder, Duffus, Silver, Burness, Falconer