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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 26 March 23 14:48 BST (UK) »
The family's 1871 census entry in King's Cove, Victoria, Nova Scotia to add to Trish's collection here:

Angus Mclean 52 b. Scotland
Sarah Mclean 52 b. Scotland
Catherine Mclean 31
Malcolm Mclean 25
Norman Mclean 23
Kenneth Mclean 21
John Mclean 19
Rebecca Mclean 16
Peter Mclean 13
Effy Mclean 10

All the children showing as born in Nova Scotia. Their religion is given as Reformed Presbyterian.

If we assume that all the children followed from the marriage of Angus and Sarah, it would seem that they were both in Canada before the 1841 census back in Scotland so will not show there.

Rdmclure, I am sure you have all these census entries. Just adding really for background to your post.

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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 26 March 23 17:52 BST (UK) »
FamilySearch has quite a few births/baptisms to Angus McLean and Sarah in Canada, but only three with mother's surname McGillivray or variants
Donald, born 18 December 1854, baptised 8 March 1854 (yes, I know, the baptism is before the birth but that's what the card says),  St Georges Parish, PEI
Isabelle, baptised at 3 months old on 18 July 1855, St Georges Parish, PEI
John, born 18 July 1856, St James Parish, Georgetown, PEI, baptised 20 August 1856

There are also records of four children to Angus McLean and Sarah McLean, all in the Presbyterian Church, Wood Islands, Queens, PEI
Hector born 3 April 1864 baptised 22 April 1864
John born 23 December 1865 baptised 22 April 1866
Mary born December 1867 baptised 21 September 1870
Alexander born 24 April 1869 baptised 21 September 1870 (same day as sister Mary)

These are all from digitised images of a typed card index, so presumably there must be some sort of original document from which the information was taken.

I gather that the first typewriters with both upper and lower case were produced in 1878, so this card index must have been created several decades after the baptisms.



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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 26 March 23 18:48 BST (UK) »
The records with mother showing as Sarah McLean I think likely another couple and their children? The children's names don't match what we are seeing on the census entries (assuming they are the correct entries for Angus and Sarah).

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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 March 23 19:04 BST (UK) »
Forfarian you have the right children
Donald , Isabella, John Angus.
The cards were produced in the 1970s from church records by volunteers. I have no other info on Donald. All the descendants I know come from John Angus. Angus is listed as Gaelic speaking in the 1881 census.

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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 26 March 23 20:36 BST (UK) »
So we know that John Angus, born 18 July 1856, survived to adulthood.

The start of the recording of the 1871 census was 2 April 1871, so John Angus would have had his 14th birthday but not his 15th.

Can anyone find him in the 1871 census? I've drawn a blank so far.
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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 March 23 20:52 BST (UK) »
There are two Angus McLeans in the 1881 census in PEI with Sarah McLeans (the extracts below are from the LDS CD-ROM transcription)

Lot 64, Kings, Prince Edward Island, Canada
Angus MCLEAN   M   M   59   Scottish   Scotland
   Occ:   Farmer   Religion:   Presbyterian   
Donald MCLEAN   M      20   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
   Occ:   Farmer'S Son   Religion:   Presbyterian   
Hector MCLEAN   M      16   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
   Occ:   Farmer'S Son   Religion:   Presbyterian   
John MCLEAN   M      13   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Alexander MCLEAN   M      10   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Charles MCLEAN   M      6   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Uphemia MCLEAN   F      17   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Mary MCLEAN   F      11   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Margret MCLEAN   F      4   Scottish   Prince Edward Island
         Religion:   Presbyterian   
Sarah MCLEAN   F   M   53   Scottish   Scotland

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Lot 40, Kings, Prince Edward Island, Canada
Angus MCLEAN   M   M   55   Scottish   Scotland
   Occ:   Farmer   Religion:   Catholic   
Sarah MCLEAN   F   M   60   Scottish   Scotland
         Religion:   Catholic   
Isabella MCLEAN   F      20   Scottish   Prince Edward Island

The second couple looks like Rdmclure's Angus McLean and Sarah McGillivray, but Isabella is 20 while their daughter Isabelle would have been 25 or 26, and where is their son John, who would have been 24?

The first couple could be the parents of the 4 children baptised at Wood Islands - Hector is exactly the right age - but their John would have been 15, not 13.

      
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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 March 23 21:30 BST (UK) »
John Angus had already had a daughter before his marriage in 1883. So I am not surprised he is not home in 1881. I cannot explain why Isabella is off by 5 years but this is not unheard of in a Canadian census.

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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 26 March 23 21:44 BST (UK) »
So you reckon those are your Angus and Sarah?

In which case the family that Trish and MonicaL found in 1871, 1881 and 1891 are indeed a different Angus and Sarah.
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Re: west side high street Rothesay
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 26 March 23 23:09 BST (UK) »
I am confident that is them. I just don’t know how to go back a generation to Scotland.
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