von DITTMER family...Germany to South Australia

[maddys52]

Other children mentioned in Herman's funeral description are Frank (presumably Francis), Richard and Oscar and two daughters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/34572904

[garstonite]

Frank was born Leopold Francis and he married Isabel Brown in 1914

Marriages (Australia)
Year :   1914
Registration number :   08634
Surname :   von DITTMER
First names :   Leopold Francis
Spouse surname :   BROWN
Spouse first names :   Isabel

[davecapps]

Hi
am i getting this right?

Herman R.J. von Dittmer 1832-1897 emmigrated to Australia in 1857. (did he marry in Australia)?
He had a son, Francis Christopher von Dittmer, born in Australia 1864
He also had a son, Francis von Dittmer was born 19th June 1887 in Australia
 
so you are looking for birth and the ancestors of Hermann, right?

Dave

[maddys52]

According to Genealogy SA, there are these births to a father Herman(n) (von) DITTMER.

1861 David William (Van DITMER)  Nairne    22/633    
1862  Hermann              Nairne    24/236
1863  August                  Nairne            29/585
1865  Gustav                  Nairne            36/185
1870  Henry Julius DETTMER (father Hermann Heinrich DETTMER - Adelaide    84/199) - 
(death for an Albert  DITTMER 1871 - Adelaide    40/427)
1872  Mary Josephine   Adelaide    109/207    
1874  Theodor Joseph  Adelaide    135/157
1876  Arnold                   Adelaide    163/485    
1877  Oswald (von DITTMAR)   Adelaide    188/204
1881  Catherine Wilhelmine  Adelaide    257/125
1885  Eva May               Morphett Vale    350/335
1890 Mary Alice Evelyn  Encounter Bay    467/243
1892  Herbert John        Strathalbyn    512/214
1895  Florence Elizabeth  Encounter Bay    561/154

Obviously some of these later children are probably grandchildren of Hermann and Alice (nee MANNIX). Son Hermann married in 1884, so I suspect the later 4 children are his.

There must also be some other births not found - as Sue says, Alice's obit mentions 10 children. John Leopold von DITTMER is described as the "5th son" in his marriage notices eg
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48539110

He had a son, Francis Christopher von Dittmer, born in Australia 1864
He also had a son, Francis von Dittmer was born 19th June 1887 in Australia

Francis Albert von DITTMER born 1887 has father Francis von DITTMER  (Adelaide    398/129)

Herman R.J. von Dittmer 1832-1897 emmigrated to Australia in 1857. (did he marry in Australia)?

As reply #5 - "Did Herman von DITTMER marry Alice MANNIX in Mount Barker, SA on 6 Aug 1860? His father is named Ferdinand David von DITTMER (her's William MANNIX)."

[maddys52]

I'm not sure where the middle names "R J" (Rudolph Johann?) come from. All the Australian records I have seen are simply Hermann von DITTMER (and variations). I suspect some people researching this family have spotted the 1831 baptism mentioned in reply #3 and have assumed this is same person, without seeing the burial for that infant in 1831.

[Neale1961]

I'm not sure where the middle names "R J" (Rudolph Johann?) come from. All the Australian records I have seen are simply Hermann von DITTMER (and variations). I suspect some people researching this family have spotted the 1831 baptism mentioned in reply #3 and have assumed this is same person, without seeing the burial for that infant in 1831.

Yes I agree with your observations Maddy. Lots of copying of incorrect information on the Ancestry trees.
You would think the place to give his full name would be his naturalisation papers - he gives only Hermann.
He was obviously a well-educated man. A Lieutenant in the army in Germany before he left, (was he running away from something?), and a lawyers clerk in Australia.
His marriage was in the Roman Catholic church (I think) - his wife may have been RC, but perhaps we was too.

Interesting item here - where he presents his views on various matters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26748474?searchTerm=vonDittmer