My great grandfather's brother and family

[Newbie2023]

Its a bit of a diversion from the thread but thanks so much to Ray T for posting those maps of the  relevant area in Manchester in 1849 and 1889, which are fascinating! Great stuff 

[MonicaL]

Dorothy, why do you think something to Samuel's brother? Is it from family stories or something you have come across?

Samuel and John's mother was showing as widowed by the time of the 1881 census. By the time of the 1891, Mary looks to have remarried, to a Samuel Goodwin. From your family tree on Family Search, I think you have all these census entries?

There was a son showing in 1891, 11 yr old Benjamin R(obert) Goodwin but likely he is from Samuel Goodwin's first marriage (mother's maiden name is showing as Coleman on Benjamin's birth index entry). I suppose, if the story is correct, it could also connect to him rather than John Spencer Cooper.

On the 1911 census, Benjamin is showing as married and living at 7 Victoria (St?) Altrincham. His death, at the age of 58, was registered in 1936 in Bucklow, Cheshire.

Monica

[dorothyl]

I would like to say a big thank you to everyone who has been helping me with this about my great grandfather's family.
My great grandfather's name is Samuel Benjamin Cooper. He married isobel povey. What I'm trying to find out is if at all possible. If my great grandfather Samuel had any siblings. From what I've been told by a family member. One of our ancestors family is buried in angle meadow. It's believed that it's my great grandfather's brother but I don't know his name. Also a family member of my great grandfather's brother.
I've been trying to find Samuel Benjamin Cooper's family. But I can't find any. Except for his wife and children.
If anyone can help me with anything at all I would really appreciate it.
And thank you all for what you have done for me these last couple days.

I'm really sorry that I haven't replied back sooner. It's just that I've had a headache for a few days.

Thank you all again everyone.
Kind regards Dorothy

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Working from the marriage

Samuel Cooper 19, labourer. Father John Cooper, bricksetter
Isabella Povey aged 20. Father THomas Povey, carter
Address: 39 Grey Mare Lane
Marriage :    30 Jun 1890    Christ Church,   Bradford

Censuses suggest Samuel's place of birth is Dukinfield or Burnley

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Samuel Benjamin Cooper
Baptism    6 Oct 1872,  St Peter, Burnley
Father:    John Cooper
Mother:    Mary Cooper

Here they are in 1881 at 2 Scott St, Burnley - as indexed on Ancestry but Samuel's middle initial doesn;t look like W

Mary Cooper    37 - widow b Manchester
Saml.W. Cooper    9 b Dukinfield
Hannah E. Cooper    7 b Burnley
John S. Cooper    4 b Ardwick

[heatherjulie]

Just for information

Military records say Samuel born Whittlefield near the town of Burnley.
When he was discharged his address was 130 Cross Street, Bradford Manchester

[heatherjulie]

The only birth on GRO in the north of England is

1871 Samuel Benjamin Cooper registered September Quarter in Ashton under Lyne
Mother's maiden name is given as Robinson.
Volume 08D page 460

[heatherjulie]

1871 Samuel Benjamin Cooper registered Ashton under Lyne mmn Robinson
1873 Ann Elizabeth Cooper registered Burnley Union mmn Robinson
1877 John Spencer Cooper registered Chorlton  mmn Robinson

[heatherjulie]

19 September  1870

St Mary, St Denys and St George Manchester (Manchester Cathedral)

Catherine Mary Robinson 26 Spinster 47 Tame Street

Father's Name: Samuel Robinson Spinner

Spouse's Name:   John Edward Cooper 30 Bachelor,  47 Tame Street Pork Butcher

Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Cooper Engraver