Did young children of convict mums ever follow their mums on a different ship?

[phenolphthalein]

Hello
I have been around convict records for NSW for in excess of 40 years but I have a quesion I do not know the answer to.

Did young children of convict mums ever follow their mums on a different ship?

I have a convict ancestor who either had a child just before transportation, en route or after arrival/

Not on the shipping list for her vessel and children are listed, not in the surgeon's journal and not in early baptismal records.

Her Mum arrived 1811, married woman in England married again 1818.  Child is on the 1821 census on AJCP.  Would have been born in the period 1809 to 1812 from various records concerning her.

Implication is she was the daughter of the English husband.

As the daughter is not my direct ancestor it is not my story to tell so I will not give names.

BUT i had an odd thought and want to know is it possible that she came out on a different vessel to her mum sometime between her birth and say the age of 11or 12.

Some folk try to match this child with one born in Cornwall -- unlikely as the mum seems to have spent a number of years in London particularly before her free trip to Aus.

Of course the child simply may not have been baptised.

Its Just curiousity but who knows maybe i should be looking for the arrival of very young child.

regards
phenolphthalein
pH

[sandiep]

havent heard of children being sent out none of my naughties had any such.
Could the mother have found she was pregnant on boat over .

[Ruskie]

As the events occurred in 1800 I think it would be fine if you named names, which may be usueful if anyone wants to try to help.

A later arrival is possible but you would expect all sorts of permissions to be needed (and a paper trail) to enable convict to be reunited with child, so probably unlikley. Someone I researched asked for his wife to be allowed to come out but this was refused, so I would expect a child to be refused especially if she had relatives and possibly a father back in England to look after her. With mother a convict, child would be a burden.

She could have travelled with relatives as part of another family group.

Sandie’s suggestion of her being pregnant on the boat is probably the most logical.

What is AJCP?

[phenolphthalein]

AJCP is the Australian Joint Copying project.  It consisted of a number of guide books in paper accompaanied by a series of microfilms.

They were copies of home office records and colonial records to do mainly the early days of NSW though there may be Tasmanian records.


They include items such as Hulk registers, early NSW musters and censuses, I think Samuel Marsden's comcumbine list, some of the assignment lists.

That is anything transcribed at the time and sent back to the uk.

This explains why there are fifferent 1828 censuses as there was the original collection and the transcribed copy sent to England.

Sanuel Marsden's concumbine list is full of errors.  I know of 3 married women on it listed as concubines.  Unfortunately it led him to have a very poor opinion of convict women.

All three I know  who were married were married by him or in his church.

The misunderstanding arose because women convicts were mustered under their maiden names for government purposes. ie their sentencing name.

Even tho this was a survey to find out who were legally married they were so used to giving their maiden names and did and this being different to their married names ie the person they were living with they were assumed to be concubines.

The State Library of Victoria holds these records and so I assume would the National Library and other stste libraries.  They are useful for the earlier days of settlement.  They also appear to be of use to folk in the UK and seem to include some records of folk never sent to Australia.

Regards
phebolphthalein
pH

[Dundee]

Child is on the 1821 census on AJCP. 

Are you talking about a muster?  Is there nothing on the record that describes their status?  Are they not on the 1828 census?

Debra 

[phenolphthalein]

Sorry for the mistype I meant 1821 muster.  Thank you for the correction.
regaers
phenolphthalein
pH