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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 01 February 23 11:28 GMT (UK) »
He looks to have had a standard Navy discharge in 1877

No he didn't.  He deserted in Portland in April 1873, reinstated in Oct 1874 from Lewes gaol, then deserted again in June 1877 at Portsmouth.  I think the 2 y [years] might be a reference to how long he had been gone and so was discharged.  He was supposed to serve 10 years from Jan 1870.

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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 01 February 23 12:33 GMT (UK) »
Great find Dundee/Debra thats seems to be a key if it is the one and same man.
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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 01 February 23 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Good correction, Debra  :)
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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 01 February 23 18:28 GMT (UK) »
From 'The Broad arrow; the naval and military gazette, on 2 May 1874:

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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 02 February 23 04:48 GMT (UK) »
Wow amazing what you all have dug up from nearly 150 yrs ago of an ordinary (pun) seaman/person if there can be found no death for said Edwin Walter Clark(e) then it is very very likely to be Edwin Clark McGaughie (not much of a name change at first glance) and maybe just maybe the reason he has the 2nd persona of John Morrison in the naval work area of Govan/Glasgow could be to hide from other seamen who may recognize the Edwin Clark(e) from the 1874 trail.
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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 02 February 23 10:09 GMT (UK) »
I haven't really been following this post so, can I ask please?
Is this all about a seaman from Glasgow who changed his name?  If it is, I have a common and  plausible explanation.
If it isn't, just ignore me, I'll go away of my own accord   ;D
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 02 February 23 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Please don't go away.

I'd be very interested in your possible explanation, even if it might not apply in this case.
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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #70 on: Thursday 02 February 23 10:41 GMT (UK) »
Please don't go away.

There's a first time for everything Forfarian!

In Glasgow, seamen and their families shopped in "Marine Stores", very much like the old co-operative stores most of us still remember.
The marine stores allowed credit on the condition that the sailor left his official seaman's papers with the store and these couldn't be retrieved unless the slate was wiped clean. This meant that he couldn't go back to work until he'd paid his bill.
So, when times were hard and money scarce, the men used to change their names, apply for new papers under that name and sail off leaving their debt unpaid.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 02 February 23 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating, thanks, Lodger.
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