Dilemma....What's going on with name change ?

[garngad]

Yes thanks Debra as I still live here and have known that married women can legally use both names I'm grateful for you finding her thanks again. it's weird but I have a later relative of my maternal side who married a McConnellegue in 1948 whos mother (i havent looked into yet w as a Gallacher interesting thanks again.

[Forfarian]

This is the only death cert that i could find to tie in with Marion Shaw in Glasgow for the time period the witness is Eveline Docherty daughter a Eveline McGaughie married a Thomas Docherty in 1901 witnessed by a William Morrison and a Janet Gillon.

Finding all this a bit bewildering, but noting that Marion McLean Shaw's death certificate describes her only as widow of Edwin McGaughie and does not mention John Morrison seems to suggest that Marion never married a John Morrison.

Also Eveline gives her father's given name as John on her marriage, which could hint that John Morrison and Edwin McGauchie are indeed one and the same.

[Dundee]

If John MORRISON and Edwin are not the same person then how would Edwin die at the MORRISON address? 

Debra 

[garngad]

this is my dilemma Forfarian and Dundee (Debra) i seemed to have to many documentation stating conflicting yet similar facts and I cant seem to separate my thoughts from one to another was hoping some of you here could see where i was going wrong and put me back on the right path I feel as im opening another familes line and downloading what will be a whole bunch of data for nothing when i need to concentrate on my exact line one or two wrong ones i expected but im on dozens just for this line already but I know you all have had the same of not similar paths so thanks again for the time,thoughts and help.

[MonicaL]

You must be banging your head over this, garngad!

I was hoping to get some insight for you by trying to find the roots of Edwin/John, but early years similarly confusing 

A Lydia Wells (matching the mother's details on Edwin's 1924 death reg.) married a John Clark (no McGauchie) on 19 Dec 1835 Alverstoke, Hampshire, England. Note that Edwin's 1877 marriage showed father as Alexander but death reg as John.

I think this is the 1851 census entry for Edwin Clark and his family in Portsea, Hampshire. John Morrison gave his birth place as Hampshire, England (not Hampshire, pongland as Ancestry have transcribed it  ):

John Clark 43 Seamans Schoolmaster R N
Lydia Clark 45    
Thomas A Clark 23
George Clark 19
Henry Clark 14
Edwin W Clark 12
Mary A Clark 10
Sarah J Clark 8

www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPC-Z28

John Clark shows alive in 1871 so he must have died 1871-81. His occupation then looks a good match to what shows on Edwin's 1924 death reg: Accountant Sup. & Registrar's Clerk.

There are some additonal details on the family is you click on the links to the right of the page.

Lydia shows as Clark and a widow by the time of the 1881 and 1891 censuses (from those links). No reference to be seen for the surname McGaughie or Morrison 

No help this info!

Monica

[MonicaL]

From what we have for Edwin/John, I think this is his birth entry on the index:

CLARK, EDWIN  WALTER      Mother's maiden name WELLS     
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION  Volume 07  Page 147

Confirmation of that middle name, makes me think that this is also him:

UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
Edwin Walter Clark
Birth 6 Jun 1848 Portsmouth, Hants
First Service Date: 1 Jan 1873
First Ship Served On: Achilles
Last Service Date: 13 Jun 1877
Last Ship Served On: Orontes
Service Number: 50062

There is a physical description for him. Not tall for sure at 5' 1, fair and grey eyes. His trade is that of a painter and grainer. This fits very well with what you have for him in later years.

Edwin's marriage to Marion was on 17 Sept 1877, from the info posted by wivenhoe. So, his last service date of 13 June that year all fits.

Monica

[Forfarian]

I think this is the 1851 census entry for Edwin Clark and his family in Portsea, Hampshire. John Morrison gave his birth place as Hampshire, England

Actually I think that's the 1861, when Edwin would have been 12.

They were in Oxford Street, Portsea, in 1851, Edwin aged 3.

In 1871 Edwin Clarke, AB, aged 24, is on board the Minotaur of Spithead, at Portsea Island.

Looks as if Lydia died in Portsea in 1899, aged 83.

So do we think that Edwin had three different names - Edwin Walter Clark, Edwin Clark McGauchie and John Morrison?

I see that there was a notorious murder in 1886, involving the wife and daughter of an Edwin Walter Clark. (The murderer was Walter Edwin Wright, just to confuse matters.) If this had been before his marriage it might have been understandable that he would change his name, but it was well after this one married as Edwin McGauchie.

[MonicaL]

Yes, we do! And I have no idea why Edwin played around with his names  Was he trying to hide his identity or what was the purpose I wonder.

Marion Shaw seems more straightforward.

Her birth:

Marion Shaw
Birth 8 Mar 1857 Govan, Lanark
Father: William Shaw
Mother: Marion Mcgregor

By 1871, the family are down in Birkenhead so she is well placed for that 1877 marriage:

William Shaw 42 Boiler maker b. Glasgow
Marion Shaw 38 b. Scotland
Marion Shaw 14 b. Scotland
William Shaw 8 b. Ireland
Barbara Shaw 6 b. Ireland
Ellen Shaw 4 b. England
Robert Shaw 9 months b. England

I haven't looked for the family's 1881 entry but in 1891, William, boiler maker, wife Marion and some of their children are back in Govan and living at 78 Queen St.

So, as far as we can see, her family is easy enough to find with the details we have.

The middle name of McLean for Marion Shaw comes from her maternal grandmother, Marion McLean.

Monica

[garngad]

Thank you Marion,Forfarian,Dundee/Debra and Wivenhoe I had all the bits of info Wellington/Liverpool/Bolton/Govan but just could not get my head around which bits fitted the Morrison family the link was Marion McLean/Shaw flitting between Morrison and McGaughie proved to much for me so I reached out here and you now have added more headache but at least it's more info so thanks again,the English data I only have access to LDS site or FreeCen and BDM I have no account with Ancestry though I have a DNA guest/tree I was reluctant to add the McGaughie link in case it was totally false but the more I look at the Census names for Morrison and not finding the correct BDM then look at the McGaughie BDM but finding no Census links just had me thinking they where one and the same, now I have even further to go back Im sure there was a reason for the name jumping.