I want to thank everyone who has looked more so those who have contributed I know i have blurted too much out at once and when I'm trying to look at 2 or 3 bits of data I can get confused I'm not sure if I'm looking at 2 familes with very similar timelines or one family using two names it seems very odd to have one family well documented in the Census for 3/4 decades and one not (I realise spelling mistakes,mis conscribed names dates etc) and another so well documented in birth and marriage,death but no Census data for the same area's just hoping someone could help me to figure it out before I run out of sanity (or money).