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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 28 January 23 06:52 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, had my wires crossed.
Alice born 1872 is Sarah’s child with John Jago.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 28 January 23 07:22 GMT (UK) »
Joseph Rycroft was born 1819 Liverpool  and was a convict to Tasmania in 1837 per “Neptune”.

Coincidently there is a convict named  William France born abt 1814 Liverpool who was a convict to Tasmania arriving 1837 per “Elphinstone”.
 
Both men received their TOL around the same time.

I am thinking that Jos Ryecroft and Wm France were known to each other either from Liverpool or from their time in Tasmania.
All convict records for William France convict are readily available from Tasmanian Archives.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 January 23 07:45 GMT (UK) »
this tree says William France died 1866

https://gw.geneanet.org/jmmoun?n=need&oc=&p=christina

not all trees are correct of course
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Joseph Rycroft

Baptism: 27 Jun 1819 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Joseph Rycroft - [Child] of Thomas Rycroft & Elizabeth
    Abode: Crosshall St
    Occupation: Shoe Maker
    Baptised by: T. H. Heathcote Curate
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Marriage: 18 Nov 1799 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rycroft - Cordwainer, Liverpool
Elizabeth Lunt - (X), Spinster, Liverpool
    Witness: Edward Coventry; Thos. Howard

Christina was on a Tasmanian lists of crime in 1861 - 2 years before she died ..

oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 28 January 23 08:00 GMT (UK) »
Sarahs G Grandaughter is Jennifer Mountford and placed flowers on Sarahs grave 15th  August 2021
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215726826/sarah-mazzoletti?_gl=1*1m74jac*_ga*NTM3NjIzODQ0LjE2NTgyMTQwODE.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY3NDg5MTQ4MC4xMzcuMS4xNjc0ODkyNDI2LjU2LjAuMA..
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you can send Jennifer Mountford a message here
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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 28 January 23 08:02 GMT (UK) »
Joseph Rycroft was born 1819 Liverpool  and was a convict to Tasmania in 1837 per “Neptune”.

Coincidently there is a convict named  William France born abt 1814 Liverpool who was a convict to Tasmania arriving 1837 per “Elphinstone”.
 
Both men received their TOL around the same time.

I am thinking that Jos Ryecroft and Wm France were known to each other either from Liverpool or from their time in Tasmania.
All convict records for William France convict are readily available from Tasmanian Archives.


b 1813
Baptism: 14 Mar 1813 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William France - Son of George France & Alice
    Abode: Harrington St
    Occupation: Butcher
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Marriage: 14 Apr 1812 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George France - Butcher, Liverpool
Alice Platt - (X), Spinster, Liverpool
    Witness: Barnet Murphy, (X); Nancy Murphy, (X)
    Married by Licence by: T. Kidd Curate

oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 28 January 23 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Christina was on a Tasmanian lists of crime in 1861 - 2 years before she died ..
I think that is the Police Gazette entry for her "missing"
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 28 January 23 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for all you have found.  I have been looking for this information on and off for almost 9 years. Amazing work!!
Thank you!!
Kind regards
Debbie

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 28 January 23 21:08 GMT (UK) »
Marriage: 14 Apr 1812 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George France - Butcher, Liverpool
Alice Platt - (X), Spinster, Liverpool
    Witness: Barnet Murphy, (X); Nancy Murphy, (X)
    Married by Licence by: T. Kidd Curate

I would be careful assuming this baptism is correct. William was convicted in Liverpool, and this was his "native" place, but he may have been baptised in the surrounding area.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 28 January 23 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Would it be asking too much to see if there is any info on John Jago??
Debbie