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Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« on: Thursday 26 January 23 16:10 GMT (UK) »
I am researching an Irish family who settled in Liverpool in 1848-1850.  There eldest child was recorded on censuses as born in France.

The child was James Murphy and his assumed DoB was 1847 (he was 3 in 1851, but there was another child born in England in 1848).  Parents were John Murphy and Sarah Kinsla/Kinsley/Kinsella.  They were Catholics.

There are quite a lot of other families in and around Liverpool with children aged 3-5 born in France.  I note that there was a 'revolution' in France in 1848, so I speculate that a lot of British and Irish people were in France and that they all came home in 1848.

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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 January 23 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Not managed to find anything yet. Generally need to know the Commune to track down French records, but have searched wider and used the variant Murphey. No joy yet.
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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 January 23 19:14 GMT (UK) »
It's a long shot, but I had a look at the census entries for Birkenhead, Liverpool and Cheshire families with children born in France.  Most just say "France", but where a place is mentioned, Rouen is the most common, followed by Nantes.  Others (as written on census) : Dunkerque, Onbyers, Manner, Ittervale.

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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 January 23 04:44 GMT (UK) »

Birth 27 Oct 1846 - Registration 13 Nov 1846 - Barentin, Seine-Maritime, Normandie:

https://www.archivesdepartementales76.net/ark:/50278/cb38d7733ac0f20080d0914b0b1bf1c3/dao/0/107

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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 January 23 07:08 GMT (UK) »
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Well done!
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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 January 23 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Well done indeed.  Many thanks Tree Spirit.  There is lots of new information in that record for me.

Sarah (Sally) was only 20 and John 35.  They can't have been in France very long.  Is it possible that they married in France (or were never actually legally married?)?  I am not sure if it was legal in Ireland for a woman to marry aged 20 or less.

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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 January 23 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Lookup - Birth in France about 1847
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 January 23 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

In the same place, there is a birth record (02/09/1846) for François KINSELES born to François KINSELES, 35, "terrassier", and his wife Brigide BRYAN(S), also 35. It mentions a marriage in Liverpool on September 1st 1844.

KINSELES sounds like KINSELLA

Francis KINSELLA and Bridget BRIAN in Liverpool

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZL55-WS3Z

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV74-XMG

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z82Y-HTT2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM7K-SG4
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